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Old 01-28-2008, 11:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I've heard a lot about the TNT book, but it sounds like it's more for a low carb dieter. Any suggestions for someone who plans on following a 40/30/30 plan? I think I'm too active for a low carb diet. When I tried it before I was miserable, tired and depressed
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Old 01-28-2008, 11:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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TNT is very low carb for the first 4 weeks. Then, you move onto other stages of the plan, which allow carbs on certain days/certain times.

If you are going to follow 40/30/30, then you are all set with your plan -- you just need to plan out your eats and supplements! I am assuming you have NROL4W and there is lots of nutritional guidance in there and Cassandra has another book, as well.
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I wouldn't mind getting a nutrition book that discusses carbs (what days and time etc), but I believe in NRF4W it says it doesn't matter?? I also thought that a good nutrition book would give ideas of clean food choices....I find myself eating the same things. Maybe there's a website out there that you have found helpful?
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NR4W suggest the 40% carbs, 30% protein, 30% fat macronutrient ratio in the discussion of New Rule #16: Protein is the queen of macronutrients. There was never any implication that we need to get really anal about that macronutrient ratio however. The main focus of the book seemed to me to be encouraging women to get enough protein in their day and some protein every time they eat.

I haven't read Cass' diet book. Others will have to elaborate on its contents. I like John Berardi's Precision Nutrition. If you're not ready to spend that much money, then his The Metabolism Advantage is sort-of a PN-lite.
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What about Lyle McDonald's Ultimate Diet 2 or the updated Rapid Fatloss Handbook?
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Old 01-31-2008, 11:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
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In general, I don't approve of crash diets. They don't allow the body the time to adapt to the change in size and body composition.

You might consider Coach Hale's "Knowledge and Nonsense."

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But I'll admit to no experience with it.
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Who is the TNT book recommended for? Cynic, I'm going to check out Coach Hale's book this weekend. I have no problem eating healthy, I just need to figure out my macronutrient ratios and whether it really matters when you eat what, carbs in the evening, etc.
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I'm on TNT.....it's recommended for anyone.

However, if I remember correctly, you are 5'10 and 134 lbs trying to get to 127 lbs, and I really do think that is way out of line for your height -- small-boned or not. That is just way thin any way you look at it.
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I've decided that it's not all about the scale, it's about how you fit into your clothes, so if I happen to weigh more...that's okay. It's all about the change in body recompisition and that's my goal. That's why I'm not so sure about the TNT diet, it may make me loose to much weight??
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I'm no nutrition expert, and I'm sure others will chime in here. But, it sound to me like you need to GAIN (lean mass), not lose. What is your BF%?
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I'm no nutrition expert, and I'm sure others will chime in here. But, it sound to me like you need to GAIN (lean mass), not lose. What is your BF%?
12% with the Cooper method and 17% with the 4 point skinfold they do at 24 Hour Fitness. Where would someone go to get a more accurate reading? I'm a size 4 and honestly like being that size, don't really want to go up. Not really looking to loose anymore, so I agree with your post
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The TNT plans focus on losing fat and building muscle during different times of the week. It might be worth a try.

The most important thing is to find a diet (meal plan) you can consistently stick to for an extended period of time.

I like TNT because it's simple and I can make it work even when I eat out. I really don't have a desire to cheat at all at this point and have only actually cheated twice in 7 weeks. I did a low fat diet in the past and had some good results, but it was harder to stick with and my cheat meals became more frequent until I was off the diet all together.
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It's the low carb part that makes me nervous. I've tried low carb before and I was miserable....I'm very active and need carbs. How low do the carbs go in this book?
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Basically, the only carbs come from vegetables (non-starchy) and 2 servings of nuts per day for Plan A of TNT (first 4 weeks). Then, you begin cycling in carbs for the other plans.

IF your BF is 12%, then you truly are teetering right on the edge of too low (from what I've read). It truly doesn't sound like you have ANYTHING to lose, but you do have room to gain.
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I need to gain some muscle, just need to get my nutrition worked out You think TNT might be for me....can you skip the low carb stage
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Honestly, I think you need to go on a gaining plan, which would involve a lot more calories than you are taking in now. There are a couple people working to gain right now....maybe they can jump in with some advice.

I would really worry about you going on TNT and losing any more BF. You can't afford to do that.
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I need to gain some muscle, just need to get my nutrition worked out You think TNT might be for me....can you skip the low carb stage

My other book, Perfect Body Diet, gives two options: a lower carb (20% max) and a moderate carb diet (45% max). There's more emphasis on nutrition, hunger, protecting your metabolim - plus 75 original recipes - that you might be interested in. It's geared just at women.
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There is a sample of Cass's Perfect Body Diet Plan in the Jan/Feb issue of Women's Health...she includes some great recipes in the article. I personally love the Pumpkin Oatmeal!
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