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Old 01-25-2008, 12:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello all,

Help!!!!!

I have now read NROL4W and am in the process of calculating numbers etc to get started with workouts on Monday.

I am terribly allergic to lactose, so have picked up Soy protein. The salesperson totally discouraged me with this purchase because of the negative hormonal effect of Soy when attempting weight loss.

I would appreciate any feedback on Soy protein and if it is really that bad, then what other alternatives would you recommend.

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P.S. I am 5'1", femalel, currently weighing 239LBS with a goal to lose 100lbs.
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Old 01-25-2008, 12:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Not your question - just curious.
Did you shy away from Whey (or whey + casein) protein because you think it has lactose? Because, it doesn't have any milk sugar in it, just the protein.

Also - do you have an actual ALLERGY to lactose or are you lactose-intolerant, as those would be different issues (and I think an allergy to a sugar would be unusual).
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Quite frankly I don't know exactly what it is in Whey that I am allergic to. I have tried any brands, unfortunately they all have terribly mucus building affect on me, eventually leading to lung infections.
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Old 01-25-2008, 12:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ok - so it is whey that you are sensitive to, not lactose.
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I think there are goat whey products out there but it's still whey and may still be mucus building for you. Soy is problematic for a lot of reasons...from the Weston Price folks:
  • High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
  • Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
  • Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
  • Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
  • Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
  • Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.
  • Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
  • Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
  • Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.
  • Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.
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Old 01-25-2008, 12:59 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Maybe rice protein?
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if you are talking of a protein powder for PWO nutrition - you can also get egg white protein, hemp protein, pea protein all as powders that are not whey or casein. You might not like the taste or texture but ...

On the other hand, you could just eat food - HB eggs, cold chicken, can.pouch of tuna or chicken - the protein shakes are just convenient, especially after a gym workout.
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Thanks all,

I prefer a vegetarian diet and truly do not enjoy eating meat, including eggs. Hence the thought of protein powders to meet the requirments for NROL4W.

Pardon my ignorance as alot of this is very new to me and I am doing my best.

The note from Susan4 is very similar to what was mentioned by the salesperson at the store.

Since I have purchased this batch (not a big one) I will go ahead with it but will not buy Soy again in the future. I had forgotten about Hemp. I can certainly do that. As a matter of fact I have some in the pantry had totally forgotten about that.

Thanks again and I will keep everyone posted of my challenges as I progress with the program.
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It's impossible to be allergic to lactose, one can only be intolerant to lactose = lacking the enzyme lactase to break it down.

it's perfectly possible to be allergic to dairy PROTEINS though and that's what is the case for me as well, moreso for whey (lactalbumin) than for casein.
There's a bunch of non-dairy protein powders available and if your allergy is very specific, you might tolerated goat protein powder (Jarrow has a fermented goat PP).

Soy has gotten a bad rap, but some say fermented soy is OKish.
I've tasted rice PP and it tasted pretty bad, many say it's better than soy PP taste-wise.
How does hemp PP taste like? Sounds like not too good since you've had it in the pantry for so long without remembering? I'm curious since I'd like to hear back from someone before trying it out myself..
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hmmm I never knew this stuff about soy... I don't tolerate whey well either.
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