OK maybe I'm just too new at this.... but why do you put the weight on risers? Even when there's room under the bar for your feet? I did mine with a 30lb preset bar today and put it on the floor since my feet could fit under it.... is that wrong?
Great videos girls! How far is where you guys lifted from New Haven? Cuz if you go together again and are willing to put up with my new-ness I'd love to join you :-)
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OK maybe I'm just too new at this.... but why do you put the weight on risers? Even when there's room under the bar for your feet? I did mine with a 30lb preset bar today and put it on the floor since my feet could fit under it.... is that wrong?
Great videos girls! How far is where you guys lifted from New Haven? Cuz if you go together again and are willing to put up with my new-ness I'd love to join you :-)
You want the bar to be at the same height it would be at if you had 45 lb plates on each end. When you are lifting at weight below 135 lbs, the plates are smaller (not bit enough diameter) and so the bar sits lower....you need to raise it a bit or you are reaching way low.
OK maybe I'm just too new at this.... but why do you put the weight on risers? Even when there's room under the bar for your feet? I did mine with a 30lb preset bar today and put it on the floor since my feet could fit under it.... is that wrong?
Great videos girls! How far is where you guys lifted from New Haven? Cuz if you go together again and are willing to put up with my new-ness I'd love to join you :-)
You do it essentially to make it easier ... deadlifts are traditionally done HEAVY ... so that's with the 45# plates on each end (and traditionally more than one). So that puts the bar starting much higher than if you only had 10# plates on the bar. Lower is harder because the muscles are at a mechanical disadvantage, and requires more flexibility/mobility at the ankle and hip. Since Alwyn will have us doing snatch grip deads off a box at some point, no sense making it harder than it has to be in the beginning. Plus for those just learning, it is better to learn it from the easier point, and not the harder one.
We trained in South Windsor at the LAFitness near Evergreen Walk. It's about an hour north of New Haven just east of Hartford ... quick and easy off I-91 to I-84. You are welcome to join us next time! Are you in school in New Haven, or are you from there?
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You do it essentially to make it easier ... deadlifts are traditionally done HEAVY ... so that's with the 45# plates on each end (and traditionally more than one). So that puts the bar starting much higher than if you only had 10# plates on the bar. Lower is harder because the muscles are at a mechanical disadvantage, and requires more flexibility/mobility at the ankle and hip. Since Alwyn will have us doing snatch grip deads off a box at some point, no sense making it harder than it has to be in the beginning. Plus for those just learning, it is better to learn it from the easier point, and not the harder one.
We trained in South Windsor at the LAFitness near Evergreen Walk. It's about an hour north of New Haven just east of Hartford ... quick and easy off I-91 to I-84. You are welcome to join us next time! Are you in school in New Haven, or are you from there?
OK... so I'm making it harder on myself by having the bar lower? With the bar lower it incorporates more of your legs, or am I wrong? So then should I try to do more weight at the easier height? Or more weight at my lower height?
And I'm at the University of New Haven for grad school. I won't be here much longer (leaving for a job sometime between April and July) but definitely let me know when you guys plan on going again and I'll see if I can fit it in my schedule!
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We didn't video a lot ... just one of me deadlifting and one of Cass. There's a few of Tracy since we were working on deadlift form with her ...
Julie, you talked about how filming yourself is a good way to check form. I think I'll start doing that when I get into deads. I feel pretty confident that I'd be able to recognize when my form starts to break down.
Speaking of deads. I want to order a bar and some plates to start getting into deads in my workouts. I know there are 3 different size bars, 5', 6', and 7'. I'm leaning toward the shorter bars only because of lack of space in my basement. But, I'm wondering, does the short bar which brings the plates closer to your body, change the exercise in any way in terms of mechanics and where it hits the body?
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OK... so I'm making it harder on myself by having the bar lower? With the bar lower it incorporates more of your legs, or am I wrong? So then should I try to do more weight at the easier height? Or more weight at my lower height?
And I'm at the University of New Haven for grad school. I won't be here much longer (leaving for a job sometime between April and July) but definitely let me know when you guys plan on going again and I'll see if I can fit it in my schedule!
It really depends upon your mobility. When I do deads for reps (like we've been doing in NROL4W phase I) I have smaller plates on than the 45s and I don't use risers ... but I'm short and have good mobility and can do them with good form even with the bar lower. Yes, with it lower you are using a greater percentage of hip range of motion. More weight lower or higher, it is really up to you and your current mobility and form.
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Julie, you talked about how filming yourself is a good way to check form. I think I'll start doing that when I get into deads. I feel pretty confident that I'd be able to recognize when my form starts to break down.
Speaking of deads. I want to order a bar and some plates to start getting into deads in my workouts. I know there are 3 different size bars, 5', 6', and 7'. I'm leaning toward the shorter bars only because of lack of space in my basement. But, I'm wondering, does the short bar which brings the plates closer to your body, change the exercise in any way in terms of mechanics and where it hits the body?
I don't think it matters in terms of mechanics ... maybe Lisa~ has an opinion ... or you could ask in the training forum ... Zach or some of the other dedicated deadlifters might know ...
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Tracy, if your space can accommodate it, go ahead and get the Olympic sized bar. You'll outgrow the small bar in no time. Go with the standard size. That's my opinion, not because of any mechanics or anything, but just--well, my general rule of thumb is always choose the big one.
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Tracy, if your space can accommodate it, go ahead and get the Olympic sized bar. You'll outgrow the small bar in no time. Go with the standard size. That's my opinion, not because of any mechanics or anything, but just--well, my general rule of thumb is always choose the big one.
Gotcha...thanks, Lisa!
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I like the way she uses her thighs to push the bar up a little (not)
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this is what NOT to do with deadlifts! Her poor back.....Lisa~, how many mistakes can you spot here?
OUCH!!! It makes my back hurt just to watch.
She does have determination and drive, though. You gotta give her that. If her work ethic could be directed into better technique, she'd be awesome. So that's on her coach as much or more than her, you know? Wasn't that a coach's voice in the background?
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I like the way she uses her thighs to push the bar up a little (not)
They actually have a name for that. It's called hitching and it'll get you disqualified in a powerlifting meet.
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They actually have a name for that. It's called hitching and it'll get you disqualified in a powerlifting meet.
As soon as I saw this I said Ooh she's hitching up her pants. But I couldn't see any Kiss my ass attitude to go with it.
At the beginning when she went down, she initially straightened her back and I had high hopes. They quickly went away. I liked the banging plates and grunts, though.
Thanks, Natalia.
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