OK maybe I'm just too new at this.... but why do you put the weight on risers? Even when there's room under the bar for your feet? I did mine with a 30lb preset bar today and put it on the floor since my feet could fit under it.... is that wrong?
Great videos girls! How far is where you guys lifted from New Haven? Cuz if you go together again and are willing to put up with my new-ness I'd love to join you :-)
OK maybe I'm just too new at this.... but why do you put the weight on risers? Even when there's room under the bar for your feet? I did mine with a 30lb preset bar today and put it on the floor since my feet could fit under it.... is that wrong?
Great videos girls! How far is where you guys lifted from New Haven? Cuz if you go together again and are willing to put up with my new-ness I'd love to join you :-)
You want the bar to be at the same height it would be at if you had 45 lb plates on each end. When you are lifting at weight below 135 lbs, the plates are smaller (not bit enough diameter) and so the bar sits lower....you need to raise it a bit or you are reaching way low.
OK maybe I'm just too new at this.... but why do you put the weight on risers? Even when there's room under the bar for your feet? I did mine with a 30lb preset bar today and put it on the floor since my feet could fit under it.... is that wrong?
Great videos girls! How far is where you guys lifted from New Haven? Cuz if you go together again and are willing to put up with my new-ness I'd love to join you :-)
You do it essentially to make it easier ... deadlifts are traditionally done HEAVY ... so that's with the 45# plates on each end (and traditionally more than one). So that puts the bar starting much higher than if you only had 10# plates on the bar. Lower is harder because the muscles are at a mechanical disadvantage, and requires more flexibility/mobility at the ankle and hip. Since Alwyn will have us doing snatch grip deads off a box at some point, no sense making it harder than it has to be in the beginning. Plus for those just learning, it is better to learn it from the easier point, and not the harder one.
We trained in South Windsor at the LAFitness near Evergreen Walk. It's about an hour north of New Haven just east of Hartford ... quick and easy off I-91 to I-84. You are welcome to join us next time! Are you in school in New Haven, or are you from there?
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You do it essentially to make it easier ... deadlifts are traditionally done HEAVY ... so that's with the 45# plates on each end (and traditionally more than one). So that puts the bar starting much higher than if you only had 10# plates on the bar. Lower is harder because the muscles are at a mechanical disadvantage, and requires more flexibility/mobility at the ankle and hip. Since Alwyn will have us doing snatch grip deads off a box at some point, no sense making it harder than it has to be in the beginning. Plus for those just learning, it is better to learn it from the easier point, and not the harder one.
We trained in South Windsor at the LAFitness near Evergreen Walk. It's about an hour north of New Haven just east of Hartford ... quick and easy off I-91 to I-84. You are welcome to join us next time! Are you in school in New Haven, or are you from there?
OK... so I'm making it harder on myself by having the bar lower? With the bar lower it incorporates more of your legs, or am I wrong? So then should I try to do more weight at the easier height? Or more weight at my lower height?
And I'm at the University of New Haven for grad school. I won't be here much longer (leaving for a job sometime between April and July) but definitely let me know when you guys plan on going again and I'll see if I can fit it in my schedule!
We didn't video a lot ... just one of me deadlifting and one of Cass. There's a few of Tracy since we were working on deadlift form with her ...
Julie, you talked about how filming yourself is a good way to check form. I think I'll start doing that when I get into deads. I feel pretty confident that I'd be able to recognize when my form starts to break down.
Speaking of deads. I want to order a bar and some plates to start getting into deads in my workouts. I know there are 3 different size bars, 5', 6', and 7'. I'm leaning toward the shorter bars only because of lack of space in my basement. But, I'm wondering, does the short bar which brings the plates closer to your body, change the exercise in any way in terms of mechanics and where it hits the body?
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OK... so I'm making it harder on myself by having the bar lower? With the bar lower it incorporates more of your legs, or am I wrong? So then should I try to do more weight at the easier height? Or more weight at my lower height?
And I'm at the University of New Haven for grad school. I won't be here much longer (leaving for a job sometime between April and July) but definitely let me know when you guys plan on going again and I'll see if I can fit it in my schedule!
It really depends upon your mobility. When I do deads for reps (like we've been doing in NROL4W phase I) I have smaller plates on than the 45s and I don't use risers ... but I'm short and have good mobility and can do them with good form even with the bar lower. Yes, with it lower you are using a greater percentage of hip range of motion. More weight lower or higher, it is really up to you and your current mobility and form.
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Julie, you talked about how filming yourself is a good way to check form. I think I'll start doing that when I get into deads. I feel pretty confident that I'd be able to recognize when my form starts to break down.
Speaking of deads. I want to order a bar and some plates to start getting into deads in my workouts. I know there are 3 different size bars, 5', 6', and 7'. I'm leaning toward the shorter bars only because of lack of space in my basement. But, I'm wondering, does the short bar which brings the plates closer to your body, change the exercise in any way in terms of mechanics and where it hits the body?
I don't think it matters in terms of mechanics ... maybe Lisa~ has an opinion ... or you could ask in the training forum ... Zach or some of the other dedicated deadlifters might know ...
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Tracy, if your space can accommodate it, go ahead and get the Olympic sized bar. You'll outgrow the small bar in no time. Go with the standard size. That's my opinion, not because of any mechanics or anything, but just--well, my general rule of thumb is always choose the big one.
Tracy, if your space can accommodate it, go ahead and get the Olympic sized bar. You'll outgrow the small bar in no time. Go with the standard size. That's my opinion, not because of any mechanics or anything, but just--well, my general rule of thumb is always choose the big one.
Gotcha...thanks, Lisa!
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this is what NOT to do with deadlifts! Her poor back.....Lisa~, how many mistakes can you spot here?
OUCH!!! It makes my back hurt just to watch.
She does have determination and drive, though. You gotta give her that. If her work ethic could be directed into better technique, she'd be awesome. So that's on her coach as much or more than her, you know? Wasn't that a coach's voice in the background?
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I like the way she uses her thighs to push the bar up a little (not)
They actually have a name for that. It's called hitching and it'll get you disqualified in a powerlifting meet.
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They actually have a name for that. It's called hitching and it'll get you disqualified in a powerlifting meet.
As soon as I saw this I said Ooh she's hitching up her pants. But I couldn't see any Kiss my ass attitude to go with it.
At the beginning when she went down, she initially straightened her back and I had high hopes. They quickly went away. I liked the banging plates and grunts, though.
Thanks, Natalia.
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Uh Oh. If those videos are any indication, I've been dropping my butt too low on the deadlifts. I pretty much drop my butt all the way down to a squat position. I wonder if that's why I'm stalled out at 110. Need to work on my form.
no....not yet, but I am planning to head that way. I know it's a long way, but that's where my heart lies.
I've been exploring the concept of changing careers and physical therapy is a career choice I've been thinking about. I'm in the early stages (just thinking stage). How does one get started, are there physical therapy schools, organizations, programs?
Sorry, if it sounds like a dumb question. I'm old - 40 and have been in the corporate world for 20+ years. Uggg.
Well I don't know from personal experience exactly... but my boyfriend is going through the process of changing careers too. He has his B.A. in Communications and worked at MTV and places like that for a while, then decided to actually follow his heart and go to school for physical therapy. It's a hell of a lot of work but he loves it. He's still in his first year. He's getting a Doctorate in PT from Arcadia University in PA. He has class pretty much from 8am to about 6pm everyday and this summer he actually gets to do a cadaver dissection course (I am sooo jealous!) He's a member of the forum now... his "alias" is BrianB. Feel free to PM him and ask him about it!
no....not yet, but I am planning to head that way. I know it's a long way, but that's where my heart lies.
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I've been exploring the concept of changing careers and physical therapy is a career choice I've been thinking about. I'm in the early stages (just thinking stage). How does one get started, are there physical therapy schools, organizations, programs?
Sorry, if it sounds like a dumb question. I'm old - 40 and have been in the corporate world for 20+ years. Uggg.
Well, things are a lot different now I'm sure than when I was in school, but one thing that I think most schools still require to even apply is volunteer observation experience. When I went to school in the early '90s, UConn required 40+ hours minimum in a variety of settings (acute hospital, rehab, outpatient, pediatric, etc).
The purpose behind it is several ... physical therapists touch complete strangers in relatively intimate parts of their bodies all day long. No matter what setting you work in, you end up touching people. In outpatient orthopedic you routinely touch buttocks and deep into the abdomen. I have a certification in manual lymphatic drainage and have touched other women's breasts if that is where their lymphedema is. In rehab sometimes you are cotreating with OT and working on toileting skills, so sometimes you have to wipe butts (and adult butts are much worse than baby butts!). In acute care, same thing. Sometimes people can't control their bowels/bladders and you have to deal with it (sometimes the nurses time the suppositories to coincide with PT as getting them physically moving often gets the constipated bowel moving). Or someone who has had a Foley catheter in can't control urine very well when the Foley first comes out, so I have held plastic urinals and little old man's shrivelled penis' before too.
Not that these things are routine ... and depending upon the part of physical therapy you go into, some incidents are more prevalent than others. For example, it has been years since I've had to wipe butts, or hold urinals. I now work in home care where I go to people's houses and help them after surgery or hospitalization. I treat many people with joint replacement. It's pretty easy and not any of the things I mentioned above (if it is, that person likely has a full-time aide and I don't have to deal with any of it!!).
It is honestly a GREAT profession. You are well-compensated. It is easy to do part-time (I currently work per diem weekends only). It is cerebral (you get to use your brain a lot) and can be very physical (rehab - esp. spinal cord or heavy neuro/strokes; outpatient - doing manual therapy). It is HIGHLY rewarding. Helping someone regain mobility and function is one of the best feelings.
My best advice is to contact any school's you might be interested in applying to and find out what they recommend. Many hospitals will let you "shadow" or observe after signing a confidentiality statement. Try to observe in a variety of settings (hospital, outpatient clinic, nursing home, etc) to get an idea of what you might like or not like.
Feel free to ask me any questions!
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These videos are really helpful! I'm still using pre-weighted bars and didn't know to elevate it a bit.
I do have a dumb question though - in the first video she's standing in front of a rack with thigh-level metal arms on either side. The squat rack (I think?) at my gym looks like that and I'm not sure if I'm meant to do my squats in between those arms? It seems like the sides of the bar would hit the arms because they're not height-adjustable. Am I confusing this equipment and thinking it's a squat rack when it's not?
That's a squat rack, and the safety bars should be adjustable. Are you sure they aren't? I put the safety bars all the way to the bottom position and puts the bar just right -- as if the big wheels were on the oly bar. I use this position for my DLs (as in Stage 1). Now, in Stage 2 we are taking that reach a bit further by using a box/step, so I don't use the safety bars.
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