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Old 07-14-2009, 11:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi, I'm a long time lurker. I really like NROL. Whenever I think of a question, then I search the forums and find very informative answers. So although I've read a lot here, I don't think I've ever really posted anything yet.

I started the break-in in May, continued with fat loss I in June and will finish the final 12th session of FLI today. I'll rest a week, start FLII after that, and most likely start a training blog on this forum as well. My two sons (17 and 16) are also involved with NROL, and they look to me for all their direction in weight lifting. Which makes me kind of a weight trainer. Ha. I'm really just a beginner myself.

I have an ok home setup with standard weights, dumbbells, a weight bench and swiss ball. With these, I can do most of the exercises, and I also substitute for the others. However I also have a club membership near my work, and they have things like the lat pulldowns and a squat rack/cage that I don't have at home. So I'm thinking of doing some of these exercises at the club around noon, and then the rest of the workout at home around 6.

So what are the pros and cons about a "split" weight workout on the same day?

In the back of my mind I'm afraid that this might mess up The Good Thing, that is, the sequence of exercises in NROL that constitutes a workout. And if that is the case then I won't do it.
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Your metabolism isn't going to stay as revved for as long. So the calorie burn is probably lower.

But, on the upside, you could probably be much more intense with a six hour break in between your sets.
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Your metabolism isn't going to stay as revved for as long. So the calorie burn is probably lower.
This doesn't matter anyway.

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But, on the upside, you could probably be much more intense with a six hour break in between your sets.
This however is potentially useful. Splitting things up into AM/PM sessions can be a good idea assuming you don't pile on extra volume and make sure to account for both sessions nutrition-wise.
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This however is potentially useful. Splitting things up into AM/PM sessions can be a good idea assuming you don't pile on extra volume and make sure to account for both sessions nutrition-wise.
You give good advice, but keep in mind that many of the people come here and post questions based on the book or program that they just read. Like NROL, NROL4W, Turbulence Training, etc. These talk about the importance of EPOC and "revving up the metabolism." Maybe the EPOC thing has been shown to be less important than once thought, but these people don't know this.

Telling them "This doesn't matter anyway" when they are holding a hardcover book in thier hands that says otherwise is going to make their brains smoke like those androids that Kirk and Spock screwed with on Star Trek.

You might consider telling them why it doesn't matter and give them some history/background, otherwise you've basically wasted your four words.
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If I wanted to type all that out I wouldn't have used four words!
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Too bad you haven't typed all that before somewhere. You could've pasted a link. All that takes is cntl and v.
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Does. not. compute...

Okay, I'm fine abandoning the afterburn concept. But... wouldn't doing a longer series of sets still work better as an endurance/cardio workout than if you did those exact same sets, but with a long break in the middle?

I'm talking 100 calories tops here.
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This however is potentially useful. Splitting things up into AM/PM sessions can be a good idea assuming you don't pile on extra volume and make sure to account for both sessions nutrition-wise.
I'm still trying to learn...in this situation what would be considered piling on extra volume?
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Doing more than is written in the workout.

Splitting things into two-a-days is usually done to separate different kinds of training that need to be done on the same day. I've seen bodybuilder-types use it to do heavy strength work in the AM and then come back in the PM to do their muscle-group pump 'n tone work, as one example. Athletes may do their technique work at one session and strength stuff at another, etc.

What I'm talking about there is cases when people feel capable of doing more work since they come into each session fresher, so they end up overworking themselves. If you're following a pre-made workout and not changing anything, you'll be fine.
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You give good advice, but keep in mind that many of the people come here and post questions based on the book or program that they just read. Like NROL, NROL4W, Turbulence Training, etc. These talk about the importance of EPOC and "revving up the metabolism." Maybe the EPOC thing has been shown to be less important than once thought, but these people don't know this.

Telling them "This doesn't matter anyway" when they are holding a hardcover book in thier hands that says otherwise is going to make their brains smoke like those androids that Kirk and Spock screwed with on Star Trek.

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This however is potentially useful. Splitting things up into AM/PM sessions can be a good idea assuming you don't pile on extra volume and make sure to account for both sessions nutrition-wise.
Pardon the hijack here, but does this little spiel mean that things like high intensity training aren't really keeping your metabolism elevated for those hours to days that they say? I mean that's what I've read/heard through all of my experience, so I'm falling right into that category you're talking about.

In an attempt not to completely destroy this thread, if that's the case, then I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it probably doesn't matter if you split it up, and might actually help. That seems like it totally negates HIIT and high rep anything, though. Somebody clear this up for me?
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Don't discount some of these methods as useful, but they are overrated from the EPOC perspective.

Here are a couple of good reads. Between the two articles, they cover a lot of your questions.

http://www.ampedtraining.com/fat-los...ning-fat-loss/

http://www.ampedtraining.com/fat-los...epoc-fat-loss/
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Oh damn, i forgot I wrote those

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