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Old 05-15-2009, 10:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Am I making a mistake switching from SS powerlifting to Fat Loss I?

I've been told I'm making a big mistake changing from a powerlifting routine to a bodybuilding routine..

By necessity I've gone from squatting 250 lbs 5 times, to squatting 95 lbs 15 times (when I get into the fat loss program it will change to 15, 12, 10)..

AM I wrong to sacrifice strength for hypertrophy?

Will I lose muscle, as well as strength?
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It depends on what your goal is. I started last year with SS and gained some strength, very little size and i still had my spare tire. I'm what you could call skinny/fat. I then switched to a body building routine from bodybuilding.com . I trimmed my diet down a bit and voila - lost 15lbs and kept the same strength.

I then came to the conclusion that i could not bulk and trim at the same time, so i have decided to rid myself of my spare tire for good and then bulk. By following the book Nolf for one year, I'm sure this will be achieved.
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Well, my goal is fatloss, but the person I'm talking to is poo-pooing the fact that my squat has gone from 250 to 95, which will eventually mean a loss of that strength that I gained..

He says I should at least do one set at 250, then do the low weight high sets..

But consider to lift 250 I have to do several w/u sets..

barx5
95x4
145x2
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235x1
255x5

THEN do 2 more sets of 95 at 15?!
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You should be doing NROL4W.

You're making a mistake in that your being impatient. Jeez, you're all over the f'ing place on this. You have something that's working yet you want to keep changing. Eventually you'll have so much going on that when it does stop you won't know what part made it stop so you can't fix it.
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Why do you have to go so low on the wietghts?
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Old 05-16-2009, 11:24 AM   #6 (permalink)
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You have something that's working yet you want to keep changing.
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One change in 8 months??

If that's "all over the place", then sue me..

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Why do you have to go so low on the weights?
Cause I can't get to 15 if I go higher..
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I was also very surprised how low i had to go on squats to be able to pump out a set of 15, rest for 60 seconds and pump out another 15.

I'm not very strong in the legs so it took me 3 months just to squat my body weight in a set of 5. In fatloss 1 which i am presently doing, i pumped out 3 sets of 15 with 110lbs of plates + the bar which i think is 20lbs.

I've been going on and off for over a year on different routines and if you want to loose fat, SS will not be the program to start with - atleast it didn't work for me.

I do like the SS program. Maybe do fatloss 1, 2 then hypertrophy 1 and 2 and then switch to SS. Just and idea.

I've been around on a lot of forums and you will receive tons of suggestions. Do What Works For You as what works for someone else might not be suited to you.
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I'm not very strong in the legs so it took me 3 months just to squat my body weight in a set of 5. In fatloss 1 which i am presently doing, i pumped out 3 sets of 15 with 110lbs of plates + the bar which i think is 20lbs.
are you using an olympic bar? those are usually 45lbs.
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No,
I have the 1 inch bars and plates. My bar is 6 feet so i think it's 20 lbs. My 5 foot bar is supposed to be 15 but it's only 13.5lb. I never weighed my 6 foot.
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I've been told I'm making a big mistake changing from a powerlifting routine to a bodybuilding routine..

By necessity I've gone from squatting 250 lbs 5 times, to squatting 95 lbs 15 times (when I get into the fat loss program it will change to 15, 12, 10)..

AM I wrong to sacrifice strength for hypertrophy?

Will I lose muscle, as well as strength?
Do 4-8 weeks of each program. People call this periodization. 4 weeks of fat loss will not cause you to lose much of your strength. Plus, you'll be giving your joints a rest from dealing with the heavy loads all the time. I have frequently found myself coming off a 4 week fat loss/deload program and breaking through my old powerlifting PRs in just a couple workouts. Remember, rest is when your body grows and gets stronger, not during the actual workout.

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It depends on what your goal is. I started last year with SS and gained some strength, very little size and i still had my spare tire. I'm what you could call skinny/fat. I then switched to a body building routine from bodybuilding.com . I trimmed my diet down a bit and voila - lost 15lbs and kept the same strength.
Emphasis is mine. You lost weight more because of the diet change and not the workout change.
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Do 4-8 weeks of each program.
Food for thought, thanks..

My lower back and knees sure do feel better..
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I still don't understand how you go from 250 pounds five times to 95 pounds fifteen times. Can you physically not lift the 95 pounds before you hit 15, or are you so out of breath that you need to stop? Either way, I'd be more concerned about a lack of stamina than strength.
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Hi,

There is a rep calculator. If you normally do 250 - 5 times, then you should try to do 170 - 15 times.

I personally like to do 5 reps instead of 15, but I know that both have their place.

Here is a link to the calculator
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/tools.php?itemid=18

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Can you physically not lift the 95 pounds before you hit 15
No, I can't..

I've no endurance basically after training for power for 8 months..

One of the reasons I wanted to make the switch..
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I still don't understand how you go from 250 pounds five times to 95 pounds fifteen times. Can you physically not lift the 95 pounds before you hit 15, or are you so out of breath that you need to stop? Either way, I'd be more concerned about a lack of stamina than strength.
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No, I can't..

I've no endurance basically after training for power for 8 months..

One of the reasons I wanted to make the switch..
Unless you're training for that particular set of reps it can be hard to go from 5s to 15s. Good thing is with the strength you have built up you should move up quickly on your 15 reps as your stamina builds.
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Good thing is with the strength you have built up you should move up quickly on your 15 reps as your stamina builds.
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