I am starting hypertrophy I today. It has the high pull listed, but the book sounds like we are starting in a standing position with the bar on our thighs. The videos on the internet have it starting as a deadlift than it progresses into a high pull. Which one should I be doing?
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Good luck with HYP1!! I am two weeks into it and love it so far. It's fun using bigger weights again, but it's tough getting used to the longer rest periods on the 5X5 days after doing FL 1&2. I currently have to do the high pulls with dumbbells because I only have one bar and don't want to unload it every set. Probably not optimal, but it seems to be working out okay so far. GREAT workout though.
I'm doing Hyp 1 as well. Maybe I'm weird, but my weights on close-grip bench press and high pull are about equal, so I don't have to change much weight at all.
My weights started out about the same on the bench and high pull. That was great. I'm in my fourth week and the weights are up more on my high pull (mostly because I got skilled enough to avoid taking my chin off).
It's a 80 or 90 second change out to move between the two. I finally quit worring about it.
I'm using a power rack and changing the weights, moving the pins (different setting to get the bar down on my chest). and getting the bench in place just takes some time. I decided to live with it.
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The guy seems to be extending his back during his pulls. I know that it's not an easy weight, but I thought that you're supposed to explode from your hips and pull the bar up while keeping your torso neutral.
I had all sorts of trouble with the high pull in Hy 1. The book's description makes it sound like it's a fairly explosive exercise (which seems to be confirmed by this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCEzJ...e=channel_page ). But I thought Lou emphasized doing exercises under control and NOT using momentum to move the weight (except for specific exercises like explosive pushups). So I tried to slow mine down, which meant I used a lot less weight. Besides that, I just thought "high pull" must just be some other way of saying "upright row", which seems NOT to be the case after all.
Anyway, after watching the videos I guess I've got it all sorted out, but I also guess I'm just wondering if anyone else had the same confusion.
And people wonder how shitty form develops on the olympic lifts.
Personally, I wouldnt recommend the high pull to anyone unless they wanted to do OL (and even then it looks nothing like those videos). I really think its irresponsible to put a movement like this in a mass marketed program.
Id say stick to shrugs or overhead shrugs if youre hell bent on working your traps.
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I have to totally agree here. I had been doing some explosive movements based on instructions and videos and once I started actually getting trained in OL's, I had NO IDEA how completely off my form actually was. None of the trainers at my gym even knew what the heck they were talking about, either. It wasn't until I got hooked up with a strength coach who was qualified to train OL's did I begin to realize how technical these lifts are. I'm still learning and I have to say that learning the OL's are the most difficult thing I have tried to learn.
When I see untrained explosive movements in other's logs now, I cringe.......because I now know that it's very hard to just DO them.
I did the High Pull for the first 6 Hyp I A workouts. I didn't like it very much, but it sure got my heart rate up. For the last 6 workouts I substituted Hang Cleans in. Still a power type move that gets the heart rate up. I just like Hang Cleans better as a matter of preference.
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I was never confused about what the high pull was, but that's one of the exercises I chose to substitute back when I did NROL. I never prescribe it to general population, since most people are upper trap dominant anyways, so they need less of that movement pattern.
You'd be better off with a clean or a snatch, especially the one arm variations if someone can teach you passable technique.
And people wonder how shitty form develops on the olympic lifts.
Personally, I wouldnt recommend the high pull to anyone unless they wanted to do OL (and even then it looks nothing like those videos). I really think its irresponsible to put a movement like this in a mass marketed program.
Id say stick to shrugs or overhead shrugs if youre hell bent on working your traps.
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Originally Posted by missjane
I have to totally agree here. I had been doing some explosive movements based on instructions and videos and once I started actually getting trained in OL's, I had NO IDEA how completely off my form actually was. None of the trainers at my gym even knew what the heck they were talking about, either. It wasn't until I got hooked up with a strength coach who was qualified to train OL's did I begin to realize how technical these lifts are. I'm still learning and I have to say that learning the OL's are the most difficult thing I have tried to learn.
When I see untrained explosive movements in other's logs now, I cringe.......because I now know that it's very hard to just DO them.
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