cycling when cutting? - JP Fitness Forums

David1991 · 04-07-2008, 01:22 PM

does anyone know if alwyn or lou suggest cycling calories/carbs when cutting? i've never heard of not doing that during a cut but they dont say anything about it

Lost Dog · 04-07-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by David1991

does anyone know if alwyn or lou suggest cycling calories/carbs when cutting? i've never heard of not doing that during a cut but they dont say anything about it

Calorie and carb cycling aren't very common dieting strategies, so I'm surprised you haven't heard of not doing it.

Most people recommend a slight caloric deficit until you're done.

LisaS · 04-07-2008, 02:10 PM

too many double negatives for me.

David1991 · 04-07-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost Dog

Calorie and carb cycling aren't very common dieting strategies, so I'm surprised you haven't heard of not doing it.

Most people recommend a slight caloric deficit until you're done.

actually its a very common diet strategy. maybe not for "weight watchers" or some other basically stereotypical diet like that but with bodybuilding/strength athlete diets its the norm.

PerfectMartini · 04-07-2008, 03:32 PM

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actually its a very common diet strategy. maybe not for "weight watchers" or some other basically stereotypical diet like that but with bodybuilding/strength athlete diets its the norm.

I can't help but to point out that you used the term "stereotypical diet" derisively and then went on to stereotype bodybuilding and strength athlete diets.

Either way you seem to have heard of Weight Watchers and seem to be aware that it doesn't advocate calorie or carbohydrate cycling so I guess Lost Dog's question was spot on.

David1991 · 04-07-2008, 03:46 PM

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I can't help but to point out that you used the term "stereotypical diet" derisively and then went on to stereotype bodybuilding and strength athlete diets.

yea, stereotypical as in the diet u hear 40 year old mom's try and can't stay on and that all seem to have commercials lol. I'm talking about diets bodybuilders and strength athletes follow and that they almost always involve cycling, their not all the same though

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Either way you seem to have heard of Weight Watchers and seem to be aware that it doesn't advocate calorie or carbohydrate cycling so I guess Lost Dog's question was spot on.

i used weight watchers as a joke diet, as in not something most people into serious lifting will follow.

Lost Dog · 04-07-2008, 03:47 PM

I think carb cycling is for people who have special needs (extreme leanness, been dieting forever, etc).

If you read Lou and Alwyn's books, there is a sort of natural cycling going on with the inclusion of extra food or drink on workout days, but I don't think that really counts.

I don't know where you get the idea that it's so common. On t-nation, for instance, there are hundreds of people dieting the "normal" way, while a small percentage follow and post in the threads regarding cycling calories or carbs.

And here. We have plenty of high school and college athletes who just "eat less" when they decide to slim down.

The people who are "more knowledgeable" might do crazy diets, but I think it's out of boredom, for the most part. I, for one, am tired of dieting, so a weekly "carb up" or "refeed day" keeps it interesting. It might even set me up for failure. I did a lot better four years back when I just ate 500 cals below maint and was done with it.

LisaS · 04-07-2008, 03:54 PM

David1991 - just curious re: your user name. What happened in 1991 - birthdate I'm guessing? Making you, what, 17?

I think it would be helpful if you spell and grammar check your posts to make sure your questions are clear.

Something like: In NROL, there isn't very much said about the diet during a cutting phase. Does anyone know if Lou or Alwyn advocates calorie cycling or carb cycling during a cut?

Or even: Has anyone seen good results for atheletes using a straight calorie deficit during a cutting phase as compared to the calorie cycling or carb cycling programs like Lyle's UD 2.0?

making offhand disparaging remarks about 40 year old mom's is just unnecessary and rude. IMO. even if you add a ricky bobby-esque LOL at the end.

Bytsi · 04-07-2008, 04:11 PM

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stereotypical as in the diet u hear 40 year old mom's try and can't stay on and that all seem to have commercials lol. I'm talking about diets bodybuilders and strength athletes follow

Uh... I'm a 40-year old mom AND a strength athlete. Don't be so quick to make assumptions about people. I may be a work in progress, but your comment is stereotyping - you wouldn't want me to make a disparaging comment about "kids born in '91 who post on boards" would you?

David1991 · 04-07-2008, 04:50 PM

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Uh... I'm a 40-year old mom AND a strength athlete. Don't be so quick to make assumptions about people. I may be a work in progress, but your comment is stereotyping - you wouldn't want me to make a disparaging comment about "kids born in '91 who post on boards" would you?

again im using the "stereotypical" sense of it. most people picture a 40year old woman out of shape trying to get in shape and failing, i mean thats even what the majority of those diet commercials are about and how those will be "the one that works"

just like the stereotype for a 16-17y/o in the gym is someone who does bench press and curls, lifting too much with bad form. I don't fit that category just like u might not fit the category of the above example of a typical 40y/o woman.

CheryleB · 04-09-2008, 05:48 AM

A key in good communication is to know your audience. On this forum, there are many of us over 40 year old moms but very few are unfit.

As to carb cycling, I agree with a few of the other posters. Fat loss is a function of calories in vs. calories out. Many experts dispute the validity of theories that link one macro with weight loss, i.e., cut the carbs to lose weight. If your intake is less than your output, you lose weight. You can cycle your caloric intake but whether the reduction should be in carbs or an overal caloric deficit is disputed.

I personally think a healthy balanced diet at a deficit is the way to go.

David1991 · 04-09-2008, 07:05 AM

alright i think since it's only 4 weeks i'll go without cyling because i've never tried it before so i guess i could see how my body reacts.

tcoy777 · 04-09-2008, 07:18 AM

Am I wrong to think that if we are suppose to try to hit the 1 gram of protein per body weight, then on a cut you would mostly be cutting fat and carbs?

David1991 · 04-09-2008, 07:22 AM

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Am I wrong to think that if we are suppose to try to hit the 1 gram of protein per body weight, then on a cut you would mostly be cutting fat and carbs?

personally i have significantly over 1g per pound of body weight, thats just a general rule anyway though. if anything it should be based off LBM since fat tissue is not metabolically active. when cutting u should almost always just be taking away fat and carbs. mainly carbs IMO.

Defiant1 · 04-09-2008, 10:12 AM

David1991, from what I have gathered in the NROL book, Lou and Alwyn use a very general nutritional strategy. They probably do this because the book is sold to the masses and a general caloric restriction diet would fit best with the majority of people. I'm sure that they have clients that they implement a variety of nutritional strategies including carb cycling and nonlinear energy intake. You may want to do a search for nonlinear energy intake or look for information on the "Anabolic Diet" to get more info on carb and calorie cycling.

***My personal experience has shown that using a general caloric restriction diet is usually fine and that you should save the more complex strategies like nonlinear cycling, supplements, etc...for when you need to bust through a plateau.