break in program - JP Fitness Forums

David1991 · 03-15-2008, 02:14 PM

do u think this is honestly necessary? i mean it seems like a joke to me, wouldn't it be more beneficial to just take a week off before starting. i mean its not like im not accustomed to weight training

CharDar · 03-15-2008, 04:11 PM

Yes, do it.

David1991 · 03-15-2008, 04:23 PM

why exactly would it be more beneficial then say, a week off?

i've been getting really bad results lately and i want to start NROL as soon as i can. i really dont want to waste time, even though im sure most will say its necessary to do it. i dont see why i couldnt just take a week off, im fully accustomed to training, full body routines, etc..

CharDar · 03-15-2008, 04:27 PM

How about you take a week off and then start Break-In? What are you in a hurry for? Rushing results only results in things like injury.

Just go ahead and take a week off (it sounds like your body needs it anyway) and then go ahead and start with the Break-In program for 8 total workouts. You'll see results from the Break-In too, because it's something new, and then when you're done with that, you can go ahead and dive into whatever program you want.

David1991 · 03-15-2008, 04:29 PM

eh...idk. i mean to be honest i dont think thats gonna happen lol. i mean i just can't see myself doing something with only 10 sets per workout and getting results. especially since ive been getting such bad results lately. idk...i guess im just looking for the quickest results possible since for some reason what ive been currently doing hasnt been working.

do u know about going to failure and macronutrient ratio's for the program? i made a thread about it but nobody's responded to it

Phaedrus49er · 03-15-2008, 06:02 PM

Don't rush--just do the Break-In phase. What's two more weeks if you've been training for however long with no progress? Alwyn didn't write it as "optional"--if you want the results you've been looking for but not getting, then do the program as written. Use loads that you think are close to your 15RM. Just because it looks simple and easy doesn't mean it is; besides, you bring the intensity to the program--Alwyn just gave you the framework. No offense, but if you're willing to skip the Break-In, who's to say you won't half-ass the rest of the program? Think about it (while you're cursing Alwyn's name to high heaven on rep 12)

David1991 · 03-15-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Phaedrus49er

Don't rush--just do the Break-In phase. What's two more weeks if you've been training for however long with no progress? Alwyn didn't write it as "optional"--if you want the results you've been looking for but not getting, then do the program as written. Use loads that you think are close to your 15RM. Just because it looks simple and easy doesn't mean it is; besides, you bring the intensity to the program--Alwyn just gave you the framework. No offense, but if you're willing to skip the Break-In, who's to say you won't half-ass the rest of the program? Think about it (while you're cursing Alwyn's name to high heaven on rep 12)

eh...ok maybe.

so i should be working to failure on the break in program?
should i be working to failure on all the routines?

and jw, what exactly do u think doing the break in routine will do? im an intermediate in the sense of training (about 2 years) but i have done a ton of research on bodybuilding (no not muscle mags lol). i know the benefits of resting, but idk...i guess i just want results lol.

PowerManDL · 03-15-2008, 06:12 PM

I don't get the mentality that says "what I've been doing doesn't work. But I don't want to change what I'm doing because it's different from what I've been doing."

David1991 · 03-15-2008, 06:17 PM

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I don't get the mentality that says "what I've been doing doesn't work. But I don't want to change what I'm doing because it's different from what I've been doing."

lol thats not at all what im saying. its more just "i dont want to waste time with a break in program when the point of it is to get u accustomed to full body routines and training in general when i've already done both for awhile"

maybe i'll finish this week with the routine im on, the take a week off and do the break for 2 weeks and then start the hypertrophy-1 routines. or do i need to take a week off after the break in too?

PowerManDL · 03-15-2008, 06:25 PM

You're going to do what you want anyway, so why make a thread about it?

If you're so convinced it'll work, just go do it. It's not like your arms will fall off or something.

David1991 · 03-15-2008, 06:49 PM

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You're going to do what you want anyway, so why make a thread about it?

If you're so convinced it'll work, just go do it. It's not like your arms will fall off or something.

? i just asked above what everyones opinion was

Moveon · 03-15-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by David1991

i mean it seems like a joke to me

I thought it looked like a joke too. Do it. If you do it the way the book says, you'll see it's not a joke.

This book is a broad, well thought out and researched program--not a collection of exercise routines. If you follow it, you will get what you want from weight training and a lot more. If you are going to do well later using NROL, you've got to lay a good foundation. You'll work harder later because you didn't do two weeks of break-in first.

My next remark may seem in-your-face. I say it only to get your attention. "If you know more than the authors of the book, throw it away and keep doing what you are doing."

Changing your mindset is difficult. It's not easy for anyone who is human. Read the thread Massiveian--Exercise Order to see another advanced lifter struggling with the same challenge of changing his thinking.

You are onto something. Keep asking your questions. They are good ones.

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David1991 · 03-15-2008, 07:13 PM

ok u guys talked me into it lol

i still it'll be pretty short/easy but i know 15 reps to failure can be very hard (holy crap though i was looking at those routines for fat loss 3, im scared to try those haha) so what do u suggest? take a week off, do the 2 weeks of the break in and then start hypertrophy-1 the next week?

also do u guys follow the actual "programs" laid out? like the "guy who considers skinny an insult, etc...? or just follow progressively what u want to reach ur goal? i noticed he has a certain amount of days per week to do each program but then when i read over the programs explained it said "anywhere between 2-4 workouts a week"

Phaedrus49er · 03-16-2008, 08:23 AM

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what do u suggest? take a week off, do the 2 weeks of the break in and then start hypertrophy-1 the next week?

Depends on how long you've been training. Less than 6-8 weeks: go ahead and start. More than 6-8 weeks: take a week off. Exactly 6-8 weeks: flip a coin.

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Originally Posted by David1991

also do u guys follow the actual "programs" laid out? like the "guy who considers skinny an insult, etc...? or just follow progressively what u want to reach ur goal? i noticed he has a certain amount of days per week to do each program but then when i read over the programs explained it said "anywhere between 2-4 workouts a week"

Number of workouts per week depends entirely on your own schedule and recovery needs. Just make sure it's the same throughout the entire program. As for case studies, I didn't consider them; I just train(ed) for my own personal goals. Besides, body composition is mostly diet anyway.

David1991 · 03-16-2008, 08:28 AM

alright well after this week it'll be 9 weeks without a break.

so i'll take a break and then do the break in program. now after the 2 weeks of the break-in can i go right into the hypertrophy routines?

Phaedrus49er · 03-16-2008, 08:53 AM

If you're only taking two weeks to do Break-In, yes, go ahead and start.

minorthird · 03-17-2008, 06:56 AM

IMO, it's not so much the 15 reps of any one exercise that makes it tough, it's the 60-second rest and coordinating your weights from one set of exercises to the next set: In the Break-in A, a 10 pound increase in your Squats might make the weight you currently do Split-leg lunges with too heavy to complete 15 reps.

Maybe I'm just speaking out of inexperience, but that's been the hardest part -- keeping the balance as you progress.