JP Fitness Forums powered by fitness insite  
Google
 
Web forums.jpfitness.com

Go Back   JP Fitness Forums > The New Rules of Lifting > The New Rules of Lifting - The Original
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

The New Rules of Lifting - The Original Based on the original book by Lou Schuler with workout programs by Alwyn Cosgrove

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-18-2007, 10:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 23
Default Squats and Deadlifts question.

Hi all. Ive walked on my toes all my life so my Hems and quads have never been stretched out which makes it near impossible to do squats and deadlifts. I can do squats by standing on 10 lb weights. It seems to work. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do deadlifts? Also any stretches to stretch my hams and quads? Thanks guys.
ksk11214 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2007, 01:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
You mean three DOG moon!
 
Lost Dog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The South Bay!
Posts: 19,261
Default

Don't tell anyone, but I used to be a toe walker, too.

Same basic problems, too. Before you go off and get all stretchy in the quads and hamstrings, consider that those things aren't all of it.

Considers also...
  • tight calves
  • poor ankle mobility
  • tight hip flexors
These things all hampered (and to a degree, still hamper) my squats and deadlifts more than the quads and hamstrings did/do.

I spent a lot of time stretching my hamstrings, to no avail. Sure, they were a little tight, as were my quads, but stretching them didn't really help.

I spent a lot of my time focusing on lunges and lunge stretches, which do stretch both the hamstrings and the quads, but also give my hip flexors some help in loosening up.

I have and still stretch my calves religiously.

In the meantime, rather than skip the deadlifts, take a read of this article, Mastering The Deadlift III, which goes over some of the alternatives to a conventional deadlift. Like rack pulls, to start. Then, progressing down to a sumo style deadlift, both of which can be better for people with flexibility issues.

As for squats, try widening your stance to see it that helps. I had to use a plate for a while, too. Eventually, I was able to ween myself off of the plate. And, I wear my shoes with the bigger heals to squat.
__________________
-
-
Lost Dog's Blog

workout log
& fitday

"The wolves spoke to me in a language all their own; it was like German, Mongol, and Bitchin' all mixed together."
Lost Dog is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2007, 12:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 23
Default

What kind of stretches can I do to help with flexibility? Also I stand on the weight with my heels on them and my toes hanging off is this how its supposed to be done for squats? Also I heard you shouldn't be to wide when doing squats. Is this true? thanks.
ksk11214 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2007, 02:05 PM   #4 (permalink)
I kick butt
 
Biskit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 515
Default

To stretch achilles I stand on a stair, toes in, and let my weight draw my heels down.

I do a runner's stretch. Hands on flat surface in front of you, bend one knee, sort of like a static lunge, but concentrate on keeping feet flat, the opposite leg will feel the stretch more because it isn't bent.

Deb
Biskit is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2007, 03:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
Lisa~'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Alabama
Posts: 5,383
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ksk11214 View Post
What kind of stretches can I do to help with flexibility? Also I stand on the weight with my heels on them and my toes hanging off is this how its supposed to be done for squats? Also I heard you shouldn't be to wide when doing squats. Is this true? thanks.
Try out these ankle mobility drills from Bill Hartman:



Placing your heels on a plate is a crutch to make up for a lack of ankle mobility. You should have a goal of improved ankle mobility, reducing the use of the plate, and finally eliminating it.

The wider your stance in the squat, the less ankle mobility is required (because the ankle bends less and the shin stays more perpendicular to the floor). The narrower stance requires a lot of flexion at the ankle and, therefore, good ankle mobility. A wider stance would probably serve you well right now. A wider stance isn't right or wrong, it's just a more hip-dominant way to squat.
__________________
Lisa Holladay, CSCS
Lisa~ is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 03-22-2008, 12:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 23
Default

Are there any other soft tissue things I can do to help with squats/dead lifts/overall lower body health? Also how often and how long should I do what you posted in the video? I have tennis balls and a foam roller so any exercises you can give me would help. Thank you.
ksk11214 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2008, 12:59 PM   #7 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
Lisa~'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Alabama
Posts: 5,383
Default

This article by Geoff Neupert and Mike Robertson, Olympic vs. Powerlifting Squats, explains a drill called prying that will be helpful in your situation. The article also contains progressions for working your way toward a full squat.

Here's a Foam Roller Guide that will show you how to use your foam roller on your lower body.
__________________
Lisa Holladay, CSCS
Lisa~ is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2008, 08:46 AM   #8 (permalink)
will fight you
 
PowerManDL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bizarro World, down near Rand McNally
Posts: 2,720
Default

You might want to try a goblet squat or simply stretching your body weight into a full squatting position, as well as the other suggestions.
__________________

Articles | Blog | Pirate my book.
"Yeah, but you did your post grad thesis on trolling, so you don't count."
-JP, endorsing how awesome I am
PowerManDL is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2008, 09:30 AM   #9 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 66
Default

Sorry, a little off topic, how much are the foam rollers and where do you guys buy them from?
papperclippy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2008, 03:54 PM   #10 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
Lisa~'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Alabama
Posts: 5,383
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by papperclippy View Post
Sorry, a little off topic, how much are the foam rollers and where do you guys buy them from?
Perform Better. There are links in this thread:
what size foam roller?

And this thread has links to some great articles:
How and Why of Foam Rolling?
__________________
Lisa Holladay, CSCS
Lisa~ is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2008, 04:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
Seņor Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 7,541
Default

I don't think JP has a link to perform better anymore, so go to EliteFTS.com and get the axis roller.
Cynic is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:23 AM.

Features ...
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
Ad Management by RedTyger