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Old 06-04-2007, 06:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Alrighty... let's say I've reached my goal (I haven't) and I'm not done the Fat Loss Programs, would one continue through to the end of Fat Loss III or stop after they are completely don the Fat Loss Program they are on?

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If you've reached your goal of fat loss, then I would think that you would want to pick a new goal and pick a program that help you reach the new goal.
I've done H1, H2, S1, S2 in that order. I'm now on H3 as my goals are both size and strength oriented. I will more than likely do S3 next. After that, I will re-assess my goals and pick a program. Maybe a new set of programs, or maybe do some of these again.
I'm a newb, so take this for what it's worth in your situation.
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I think shugga is right on in his first sentence. If you reach your fat loss goal by the end of say, FLII, why would you continue with FLIII, unless you really enjoy the FL programs? There is certainly nothing wrong with that - you just need to reassess your goals.
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Old 06-05-2007, 11:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I think shugga is right on in his first sentence. If you reach your fat loss goal by the end of say, FLII, why would you continue with FLIII, unless you really enjoy the FL programs?
"Enjoy the FL programs . . "

I know the words . . but . .together? In that order? This is strange to my ears.


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Old 06-05-2007, 11:26 AM   #5 (permalink)
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hahahhaa... In a weird, twisted sorta way, I like the FL programs... about midway through II..... I'm a scared of what I read for FLIII....
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"Enjoy the FL programs . . "

I know the words . . but . .together? In that order? This is strange to my ears.


(victim of FLI-III this past Winter)
I didn't recognize the absurdity of that statement when I wrote it!!

I'm starting FLIII on 6/18 after my rest and recovery week following Strength I, of which I have just 2 workouts remaining. You've got me very excited...
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If you finish the FL program that you are on, and you've reached what your goal was, EXCELLENT. I'd suggest the same thing Shugga did, pick a new goal and start either S1 or H1.

If you're thinking about stopping altogether after you reach your goal, you definitely shouldn't do that. At the very least you need your new goal to be to maintain the success that you've gotten so far. So keep on a program that will prevent you from putting the fat back on.
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:05 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks for the responses.. it's more or less what I'd thought. I have no intention of stopping this... I haven't yet reached my bF% goal (at least that I'm aware of - will be checking that in a couple of weeks). When I do, I plan on moving to the Hyper programs.
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Also understand that your lifting is only relevant to your nutrition. If you were eating in an excess amount of calories while doing any of the FL phases you would be putting on some mass and not being losing fat anymore. So when you achieve your body comp goal, adjust your nutrition AND lifting goals for whatever your next goal to achieve is.
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True enough.. I believe I have lowered my cals a bunch... I can see a difference in my face.... I'll be checking BF% in a few weeks.... hopefully it's going the way I want it to!
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I didn't recognize the absurdity of that statement when I wrote it!!
It's kind of like putting Light workout and Bulgarian Squats in the same sentence. OY!!! what was I thinking!
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I did not reach my goal... in fact, my BF% went up! Maybe due to loss of muscle.

Bring on FLIII.
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I did not reach my goal... in fact, my BF% went up! Maybe due to loss of muscle.

Bring on FLIII.
Depends on what you're using to calculate BF%. Outside of a DEXA scan, air displacement (e.g. a Bod Pod), or hydrostatic weighing, your method is probably too unreliable and the margin of error is too great for meaningful information. For feedback on progress I'd rely on body tape measurements, photos, performance increases in the gym, energy levels, etc. At work I have access to both a Bod Pod and hydrostatic tank but have only used them when volunteering for a research project. Otherwise they don't do much for me.
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Hey, Pooch...

I used a tape measure method..... it can vary... I'm getting one done at the gym with an electrical impedence one (is that right)... it shouldn't vary too much as there isn't as many possible variables. Kinda point and click. So, we'll see what that says... if it goes up, there may be an issue.

I lost inches on all the major parts, abs, hips, waist... so that's good!
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... I'm getting one done at the gym with an electrical impedence one (is that right)... it shouldn't vary too much as there isn't as many possible variables. Kinda point and click. So, we'll see what that says... if it goes up, there may be an issue.
Yep, it's called bioelectrical impedance analysis (BIA) and is one of the quickest methods of testing body fat (e.g. either using a handheld scale or standing on one). Tanita is a common manufacturer of these scales. Basically, an electrical signal passes either from hand to hand or foot to foot. The faster the signal travels, the more muscle you have. The results are based on the fact that water conducts electricity. Fat contains almost no water while muscle is about 70% water. Technically this CAN be accurate (minimum 5% margin of error) but the results are affected by hydration, food intake and skin temperature. If you're dehydrated, you're body fat percentage will read higher than it is. This is an easy way to test your body fat but make sure you test at the same time of day, preferably first thing in the morning before breakfast, but after a glass of water. On the whole though, even a 5% margin of error isn't very informative since there's a HUGE difference between someone with a 10% body fat and someone with 5%. If you ever read the research from Consumer Reports, they don't recommend them because of this issue.

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Thanks, again...

Ya, I realize they aren't 100% accurate, I'm more looking for the correct direction (down in BF) than accuracy at this point. While it would be nice, I'll take what I can get method-wise.

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Crap... down 0.2% body fat.
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Crap... down 0.2% body fat.
Statistically that's meaningless when using a BIA device. For all you know it could be down 5.2%. Moreover, it's only a number. Most folks get hung up on reaching a certain BF% b/c they think it means some sort of mystical level of achievement. Let's face it, the true goal when striving for low body fat levels is to look smokin hot. If that's your case then start taking photos on a regular basis and measure it against a combination of other criteria including your BIA, weight, energy level, etc.
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hahahahaha...

Thanks for the smile.. hehe...

Apparently this little machine is off by a couple %... measures high.

I've been snapping photos lately.... I'll take some in the next day or two and do some comparison...

Thanks for the reality check, Pooch!

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