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Old 12-02-2006, 07:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default No "twist" in Hyper I

Am I missing something, or is their no "twist" exercise in Hyper I? Which leads to me to: can I do a couple sets of cable side crunches or woodchoppers, either as part of the workout or on off days? Or, since I doubt that twist exercise was omitted by accident, what is the reasoning and how would I screw it up by including it?

By the same token, I am used to doing reverse crunches and crunches in the same workout. Is there any objection to doing them both each time in Hyper I, provided I am leaving at least a day in between?

"Shut up and do the damn workout as written" will be a perfectly acceptible response but I could not resist asking
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Old 12-02-2006, 08:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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why aren't crunches considered twists?

The heavy squats/deads/shoulder presses should work your abs enough in addition to the crunches.

But if you really want to put in woodchoppers, put them in. Just be sure not to take anything out.
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In pages 23-24 Lou points out that your twisting muscles get a workout from stabilizing you in deadlifts, squats, etc (as ParanoiAndroid points out).
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I wanted to add something into the workout as well but when I did it properly that was not an option. I was pooped. I also always second guess myself when adding to a pro's routine. It is best to trust the program.
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I was thinking only of doing both crunches in the workout and doing a couple sets of cable crunches or woodchoppers on off days. I agree with you that the workout leaves little energy for additions. Thats one reason I want to do some core work on off days, especially after the leg workout. Usually, I do 45 min. or so on my ski machine on off days but my legs are so shot after the B workout that the next day I don't feel like doing anything but soaking in the tub, lol (though I do about 15-20 mins on the skier right after the workout, seems to make my legs feel a little better.
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If you have anything left for woodchoppers you need to up the intensity of the workout. I had all I could do to do the crunches as they were written.
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Usually, I do 45 min. or so on my ski machine on off days but my legs are so shot after the B workout that the next day I don't feel like doing anything but soaking in the tub, lol (though I do about 15-20 mins on the skier right after the workout, seems to make my legs feel a little better.
you don't need to be doing 45 minutes of steady cardio, especially on a hypertrophy program. 20 mins is cool, but 45 is gonna cut into your gains.
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Paranoid, I agree with what you say, except I am not doing this as a muscle building program, at least, not primarily. I am doing it more as a fat loss program, with the hope to pick up some muscle on the side. I have been doing full body workouts since June and have never done a split routine. I thought it was time for something different. So, after I read Lou's post that you could lean out on any of the programs, depending upon diet, I decided to do the Hyper programs but eat at maintenance and try to drop the last five pounds or so.

Also, cross country ski season is nearly upon us, and I want to up my endurance a tad so the few chances I get to go ski, I can really hit the trails hard.

I understand none of this is optimal, as it is not using the workout the way it was intended. But I am giving it a shot, and we will see how it goes. Of course, I seem to be pretty hungry on this program, so we will have to see whether I can stay at maintenance.
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