Fat Loss III - Push Press substitute

[pjb923]

I am going to be starting Fat Loss III next week, but due to some shoulder problems I would like to avoid any heavy overhead pressing movements for a little while.

I have been working with Lisa~ on a plan, and we were discussing different options. We decided that the cuban press would be a good sub for the db overhead press. I would like to find something that will be equally as taxing as the push press to complete the giant set, but with less stress on my shoulders.

Some things we were considering are:
Some kind of rear delt work - i.e. Reverse pec dec, or DB rear delt raises.
Ys prone on an incline bench or light weight Ls with Cuban rotation.

Any other input/suggestions would be appreciated.

See the last few days of posts on my log for more details.
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[austintwo]

I'd try working in dips - not really a direct substitute, but definitely strenuous enough for the purpose and doesn't appear elsewhere in FL3. Works the tri's directly, a la the shoulder press, but only works the shoulders indir4ectly.

[Lost Dog]

None of those things seem close to how taxing a push press is. How about something like a jump shrug, Jump squats, or something?

[Lou Schuler]

That's a tough one, especially because "shoulder problems" could make lots of movements difficult.

Dips are a good substitute, but they're a tough exercise, metabolically, to throw in at the end of a giant set. Also, there's some replication of muscle use with the exercises in Workout A. That's a lot of work for your pectorals.

High pulls or jump shrugs could work. I also like DB power cleans (hold the DBs at your sides, dip your knees, come up explosively and land the DBs on the tops of your shoulders), but you certainly don't get the triceps work from those that you would from dips.

[pjb923]

Thanks for the suggestions.

I should have elaborated on "shoulder problems". The only type of movements that tends to cause problems are direct overhead pressing movements. Horizontal movements like Benching or rows have never bothered me. Having my arms directly overhead seems to put my right shoulder into a very unstable position. I even have trouble doing triceps extensions with a dumbbell with my right arm.

The dips might be too taxing, and be more difficult on my shoulders than I would like, but they never really bothered me in the past.

I think the jump shrugs sounds like a good alternative movement for me. I will have plenty of opportunities to work the triceps when I move onto the hypertrophy I program.

[beeeeef]

do you actually know what's causing the shoulder problem(s)?

It may be better if you looked for lifts that will improve the situation.