Mental Programming - JP Fitness Forums

gregl515 · 08-06-2007, 10:21 AM

I have been thinking about this for some time. It may be pretty obvious to some, but not so obvious to others. I have come to the conclusion that you can program yourself for illness and failure through your thoughts.
I am not a scientist and will not quote research or statistics. I am only a man who has experience and observations. When my wife became ill, I became blindingly angry. I asked God why he would do this to my wife, a good woman who constantly helped others, when I, a man who was by no means a particularly virtuous person, remained healthy. I asked this repeatedly every day of her illness and recovery. I carried this anger around the whole time as well. My anger led me to rack up traffic tickets, to do impulsive things and to explode at friends and colleagues irrationally. Strangely, I was an excellent trial lawyer during that process because I could channel my anger and aggressiveness on behalf of client. I held my anger like a treasure and became attached to my despair.
I programmed my mind to become ill. My impulsiveness and health habits slipped and I regained weight I had lost through hard work and discarded good habits for bad. Mostly, I kept asking that damn question, why afflict Ali when I deserved it so much more. When Ali got well, I was very happy for her, but kept my anger for God and the world. When I got sick, it was almost a relief. When I lost my leg, I lost my anger because I no longer had time for the foolishness of anger. I had to get well.
When the anger disipated, I could concentrate on good habits and getting stronger each day.
I fell back a little when my marriage dissolved, but I have righted myself and am moving forward. I am frightened because I need to get a job and I need to get strong enough to live my life without so many limits. Still, I know I can do those things.
The point of this is, no matter what we believe in or what we don't believe in, we can program ourselves for failure and for illness if we attach onto thoughts that foster failure and illness. We need to constantly work to program our minds to succeed and move forward. I have become convinced that, if we do this, we have a much better chance to be happy and healthy.
I am not saying that we can prevent illness and misfortune. I am just saying that we don't have to work so hard to make our minds and bodies ready to accept it as our destiny.

RobLL · 08-06-2007, 12:13 PM

Greg - a really good post. I think all of us have ghosts from the past that can limit our lives. You used one of yours effectively in court, but still it was all in all a bad thing for you. While religion is suppose to help with those 'ghosts', I am not sure that it is any more help that learning to develop insight and acceptance (and all sorts of other things) from a more secular viewpoint.

Chaney Weiner · 08-06-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gregl515

I have been thinking about this for some time. It may be pretty obvious to some, but not so obvious to others. I have come to the conclusion that you can program yourself for illness and failure through your thoughts.
I am not a scientist and will not quote research or statistics. I am only a man who has experience and observations. When my wife became ill, I became blindingly angry. I asked God why he would do this to my wife, a good woman who constantly helped others, when I, a man who was by no means a particularly virtuous person, remained healthy. I asked this repeatedly every day of her illness and recovery. I carried this anger around the whole time as well. My anger led me to rack up traffic tickets, to do impulsive things and to explode at friends and colleagues irrationally. Strangely, I was an excellent trial lawyer during that process because I could channel my anger and aggressiveness on behalf of client. I held my anger like a treasure and became attached to my despair.
I programmed my mind to become ill. My impulsiveness and health habits slipped and I regained weight I had lost through hard work and discarded good habits for bad. Mostly, I kept asking that damn question, why afflict Ali when I deserved it so much more. When Ali got well, I was very happy for her, but kept my anger for God and the world. When I got sick, it was almost a relief. When I lost my leg, I lost my anger because I no longer had time for the foolishness of anger. I had to get well.
When the anger disipated, I could concentrate on good habits and getting stronger each day.
I fell back a little when my marriage dissolved, but I have righted myself and am moving forward. I am frightened because I need to get a job and I need to get strong enough to live my life without so many limits. Still, I know I can do those things.
The point of this is, no matter what we believe in or what we don't believe in, we can program ourselves for failure and for illness if we attach onto thoughts that foster failure and illness. We need to constantly work to program our minds to succeed and move forward. I have become convinced that, if we do this, we have a much better chance to be happy and healthy.
I am not saying that we can prevent illness and misfortune. I am just saying that we don't have to work so hard to make our minds and bodies ready to accept it as our destiny.

GREAT post. Your thoughts create your reality and it is much more than just thinking something and expecting it to show up like magic. Your thoughts need to have STRONG feeling behind them and at that point you develop new habits until ultimately these thoughts become convictions. Whatever is happening in your life is a result of the thoughts you have been thinking. Be VERY careful of the words you use because they are powerful. These words include spoken words, and especially inner dialogue. I noticed in your post that you used the phrase "hard work"...ther eis no such thing as hard work unless you choose to make it "hard work" Why not say it is easy work and make it easy. About 99.99% of the population has been programmed sub consciously since birth with lack and limited thinking through words, the media, and everyday conversation and this has been handed down from generation after generation.

Be very wary of how you think and what you think about because you,I , and everyone has the power to change any situation in their life no matter what it is.

Chaney

gregl515 · 08-06-2007, 08:14 PM

I am trying to read material that will help me to reprogram. So much of our thoughts are formed without any, well, thought. They are products of our past that become reflex.

Chaney Weiner · 08-06-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gregl515

I am trying to read material that will help me to reprogram. So much of our thoughts are formed without any, well, thought. They are products of our past that become reflex.

Reprogramming the sub conscious mind is truly a fascinating topic and one that most people don't even know about and those that do, really don't understand it completely. In fact we just launched a website that includes this very important aspect and is the backbone of our site. Even though the site is exclusively for women, the mental reprogramming can apply to all.

Chaney

gregl515 · 08-13-2007, 03:19 PM

I'll check it out! I caught myself going back to my old thinking pattern yesterday and this morning. I had to shake it off and cosciously change my thinking. This is going to take some work.

Chaney Weiner · 08-13-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gregl515

I'll check it out! I caught myself going back to my old thinking pattern yesterday and this morning. I had to shake it off and cosciously change my thinking. This is going to take some work.

This is normal, especially at first. The more you become aware of your thoughts and the more you stick to the reconditioning process the easier it gets. NOTHING in this world is hard or difficult... things are easy, unless you choose not to make them easy.

Chaney

Steve · 08-25-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RobLL

Greg - a really good post. I think all of us have ghosts from the past that can limit our lives. You used one of yours effectively in court, but still it was all in all a bad thing for you.

Indeed, Greg, the ghosts often take shape as thoughts of lack, limitation, and "ain't it awful?" As Cheney points out, "About 99.99% of the population has been programmed sub consciously since birth with lack and limited thinking through words, the media, and everyday conversation and this has been handed down from generation after generation."

I am interested in this thread because I am working with these issues now. Isn't it interesting that our minds can be our most formidable foes, but also our most advantageous allies?

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While religion is suppose to help with those 'ghosts', I am not sure that it is any more help that learning to develop insight and acceptance (and all sorts of other things) from a more secular viewpoint.

I think religion can help with the ghosts, but I am concerned that we not make the cure worse than the disease. Religion and spirituality can be great, as long as they do not become toxic and override our common sense, insight, awareness, and rational thought processes.

Chaney Weiner · 08-25-2007, 09:06 AM

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Indeed, Greg, the ghosts often take shape as thoughts of lack, limitation, and "ain't it awful?" As Cheney points out, "About 99.99% of the population has been programmed sub consciously since birth with lack and limited thinking through words, the media, and everyday conversation and this has been handed down from generation after generation."

I am interested in this thread because I am working with these issues now. Isn't it interesting that our minds can be our most formidable foes, but also our most advantageous allies?

Most people operate using their conscious and not their sub conscious. The sub conscious mind is responsible for 96-98% of your actions and perceptions and yet most people still rely on the 2-4%, their conscious mind. Your sub conscious mind allows you to things on "auto pilot" without you even realizing it. Ever had a conversation while driving your car and you did not pay attention to your driving but yet got to your destination anyway. Your sub conscious drove that car and got you there. Now when you first started to learn to drive were you able to do that...no. You were probably concentrating on how to hold the steering wheel, where to put your feet on the gas pedal and the brake, etc. This same example can be applied to riding a bike, etc.

This is how you sub conscious works with everything you do. The reason people don't really buy into this is because the masses for generation after generation have been told to "see it" first before "believing it". You need to BELIEVE it first and then see it. Every single thing you see in the outside world, every single thing that has been created ever started as a thought in someones mind and they believed it long before it came into the world we live in. This goes for every invention and everything we have.

In addition to, and along with this is how we speak to ourselves, our inner dialogue, and even the words we use while talking to others on a daily basis. Just a small example are words and phrases that we commonly use that are filled with lack and limitation and this is clearly evident in the fitness field. Start reading what people are writing and listen to what they are saying and most people use words and phrases that are filled with lack and limitation. These words and phrases become part of one's sub conscious and ultimately those negative words and phrases have their way and the person fails.

I can go on and on about this. This is a small tip of the iceberg.

Chaney

gregl515 · 08-27-2007, 03:35 PM

Keep going, I'm learning!

Lisa~ · 08-28-2007, 04:26 PM

Chaney, I enjoy reading your comments on this topic and agree with you completely. Here's a thread that contains two excellent articles related to these same ideas:

Your Self Image - don't sabotage yourself

Chaney Weiner · 08-28-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisa~

Chaney, I enjoy reading your comments on this topic and agree with you completely. Here's a thread that contains two excellent articles related to these same ideas:

Your Self Image - don't sabotage yourself

Thank you so much Lisa. I enjoy reading your posts on various topics as well. Thanks for posting that link to the other thread, so now I can go and revive that thread

Programming the mind for success goes way beyond what you typically see. Most of what we see out there involves visualization, affirmations, goal setting, etc. These help but they, in and of themself, work very little. Reprogramming the brain and how to do it is the way to go.

Chaney

deschain · 08-29-2007, 06:09 AM

Very interesting thread.

Definitely not a topic seen too very often on most sites, aside from the brief mention here or there regarding mind-body connections.

Currently, I'm dealing with some similar issues. There is a huge struggle between my brain and my body right now, and I'm not exactly sure how to bring the two together, if that makes sense.