There's a thread on Sherdog about this. He says he's made a start and his boxing needs a lot of work. He also says he hasn't seen him fight as he's never really watched much MMA.
He's been training Arlovski for 2 yrs but hasn't watched much MMA?
I know he said he thought Arlovski was going to get disqualified for kneeing someone in the head, till they explained that's allowed within the rules - but I thought he was joking.
How can you train a guy for a sport you know so little about?
On a side note - whatever he's doing obviously works... So what are we going to see against Fedor?
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I think we're going to see Fedor beat him. If someone trains for an MMA fight using strict boxing techniques, particularly foot work, then it may not work out so well.
Not to say Freddie Roach can't improve anyone's punching game (PacMan really put on a show against Oscar) but we've all seen fights in which guys using techniques not adapted to MMA get exposed.
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x2 to everything Kuri said. The basic boxing stance leaves you wide open to leg kicks and the single leg. You can't use a ton of the defensive techiques...blah blah blah.
IMO Arlovski hasn't really been facing A level competition recently (not his fault) and hasn't really been shining. Fedor is going to win convincingly.
Couldn't believe how light he was at fight time - was actually lighter than he'd been at weigh in!?!?! He should have had 15lb's on Pacman by that stage!
So how much of his perfomance was a poor cut? Credit to him though - no whining!
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I have to agree with what Kuri said. I have a love/hate relationship with boxing right now. I love it as a sport but hate the way it seems many in boxing take an elitist, or at least naive apathetic, view when it comes to MMA. Boxing is a sport where some of the techniques are only really effective as long as you're fighting within boxing rules. There's only so much in boxing that has useful carryover MMA, just as with JJ and Judo.
It's not really surprising Freddie Roach hasn't watched much MMA. He doesn't really need to to see what kind of boxing skill a fighter has. He can get a good idea by training a few times with the fighter and having them spar a boxer within boxing rules.
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Yeah... But as you said - he needs to focus on the techniques that are transferable to MMA. If he doesn't know, isn't that a big enough handicap to negate the benefit of training with him?
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That's assuming that the people that he's training can't figure the transition out for themselves.
Anderson Silva can probably draw his own conclusions.
Anderson Silva's striking is already great. He's not necessarily going to Roach to improve that, but rather to take a shot at his boxing dream. And if he is going to Roach to improve his boxing for mma, then I agree that he in entirely capable of deciding for himself what to integrate and what to discard.
I also think we'll see more fighters moving to the GSP training model: spending time improving their skills in different martial arts consecutively (or on a cycle), and then training them concurrently in anticipation of a specific opponent ~12 weeks out from the fight.
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So what are we going to see against Fedor?
I'll settle for anything that will make me forget the Arlovski-Werdum snoozefest of UFC 70...
Yeah... But as you said - he needs to focus on the techniques that are transferable to MMA. If he doesn't know, isn't that a big enough handicap to negate the benefit of training with him?
Training with him for MMA? I think so. But I was under the impression Silva was training with him for boxing matches.
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Freddie isn't going to train anyone in anything other than boxing. Not that Silva will just use him to get ready for boxing matches, but he will use Roach as a way to sharpen up his boxing skills. Just like guys go to pure jiu-jitsu, muay thai, and Judo coaches to work on certain aspects of their game, you will see MMA athletes training with pure boxing coaches.
True... But there are aspects of boxing that leave you weak to aspects of wrestling and kickboxing etc (vice versa with the other pure arts).
Should a coach not be aware of what's safe and what isn't?
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True... But there are aspects of boxing that leave you weak to aspects of wrestling and kickboxing etc (vice versa with the other pure arts).
Should a coach not be aware of what's safe and what isn't?
its not their job. a specific coach is going to sharpen a specific aspect for the fighter. its the fighters and his MMA coach/camp job to integrate the skills.
True... But there are aspects of boxing that leave you weak to aspects of wrestling and kickboxing etc (vice versa with the other pure arts).
Should a coach not be aware of what's safe and what isn't?
The fighter and his MMA coach will need to make adjustments to accommodate the UFC rule set. Freddie Roach will not be able to tell Silva what changes he should make for MMA because he is not an MMA coach.
What he CAN do is improve Silva's pure boxing skills. That is a benefit, even if Silva has to make some adjustments to his chosen sport.
Freddie Roach traing Anderson Silva
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