The UFC has officially moved into WWE territory here. No doubt it will be a huge fight in respect to $$$, and we could argue if Randy, Nog, or Fedor (Brock has been shit talking about Fedor big time) etc... are getting screwed but whatever, it's entertainment.
So who do you pick and how?
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Heart says Randy by submission!!! But head says Lesnar by lay n pray. Doh!
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It's always interesting to see Lesnar's name- I went to the same college as he did and would see him on campus and he was gigantic. I can't even imagine how big he is now.
Randy by submission. It won't go the distance one way or the other. Randy won't let himself get smothered for that long knowing that he's just going to lose. Brock *might* get in a lucky shot but I think it'll be real similar to the Silvia fight where Randy just takes it to him and then holds him down and keeps the fight on the offensive. Lesner hasn't had anyone attack him yet.
Nog over Mir. Submission or maybe even TKO. Everyone gives Nog shit for his stand up but IMO he holds his own just fine.
Nog over Lesner, probably over Couture for that matter. Randy won his last two by decision...that's fine, but I don't think he can dick around with Nog for five rounds without getting caught in something and it's unlikely that he's going to knock him out.
Nog over Lesner, probably over Couture for that matter. Randy won his last two by decision...that's fine, but I don't think he can dick around with Nog for five rounds without getting caught in something and it's unlikely that he's going to knock him out.
Yeah, nobodys ever knocked nog out. And if he can take getting punched in the face by fedor for 25 minutes (twice) without getting knocked out, I don't think randy is gonna be able to do it.
Yeah, nobodys ever knocked nog out. And if he can take getting punched in the face by fedor for 25 minutes (twice) without getting knocked out, I don't think randy is gonna be able to do it.
and weathering Mirko. I've been thinking about it. Randy via decision via master game plan execution, then nog over randy by way of being nog
The HW division is light enough that letting Lesner have a shot isn't as big a deal as it might be made out to be. Gonzaga is hit and miss and had a go last year. Wedrum is probably more deserving but hasn't been so impressive as to really pitch a fit about. Brandon Vera? Kongo? Carwin?
The only thing about the situation that gets me is like pretty much everyone said, who ever wins the Lesner\Couture fight is almost certainly going to get beat up by Nog (giving Mir less chance of beating Nog than Lesner beating Randy).
Tell you what, I'm excited to see the Palhares\Henderson match! Yes, I have a big man crush on Henderson...and a slight one on Palhares but I'm all kinds of worked up.
Ya gotta pull for Hendo but Palhares has Bustamante in his corner -always an asset. Pretty much a trial by fire fight, but if he gets by Henderson then Palhares would be my pick to eventually match up with Silva for the belt. He has a style/skill set that would give Anderson some trouble too.
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Agreed. Salivary (sp?) was in his twilight years as a fighter but Palhares was absolutely incredible in his last outing. Silva is good on the ground but not great. Lutter made him work for it and Lutter is\was...yeah. We'll see how he does against Dan.
There are some rumors floating around about a Liddell\A. Silva match if Chuck loses to Evans. That's a scary thought.
Agreed. Salivary (sp?) was in his twilight years as a fighter but Palhares was absolutely incredible in his last outing. Silva is good on the ground but not great. Lutter made him work for it and Lutter is\was...yeah. We'll see how he does against Dan.
There are some rumors floating around about a Liddell\A. Silva match if Chuck loses to Evans. That's a scary thought.
Yeah, I have heard that too. People have been saying for the UFC 100. Bunch of super fights.
I think Dan takes it. Should be a good fight though
Hopefully they'll find Chuck's head. IMO Rashad just made himself the #1 contender (with Dana saying if Chuck won he'd get the shot). They *should* put Wanderlei against Lyoto to crystallize the next #1 slot.
Curious if "they" think he'll do better against A. Silva?
I think Lyoto would take Rashad 4 out of 5 times, and that he deserves the next shot.
That was one helluva perfectly timed shot.
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Agreed. It wasn't so much who "deserved" the #2 slot as it just being a slap in Rashad's face if they didn't give it to him. I'd still like to see Lyoto face someone really willing to attack him and just see what happened.
What was the deal with Hammil? He wasn't even shooting. Just bending fwd and reaching. He's lucky his chin is still attached.
I think Randy Couture wins this decidedly. He's just too good of a game-planner to come in there and let Lesnar muscle him around. I think this will be a chance for Couture to show off his submission game.
I think Lyoto would take Rashad 4 out of 5 times, and that he deserves the next shot.
That was one helluva perfectly timed shot.
Yeah, and if he had been a split second later he would've been the one laid out. It's crazy how close they were to hitting each other at the exact same time.
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Randy chose a beast of a training partner to mirror Brock. It's tough to pick a winner in this one. Randy's got a lot more experience and is great with gameplans. Brock has a huge size advantage and a level of athleticism that is rarely seen in a HW fighter. I'd give the edge to Brock because, although Randy is great at gameplanning, he's not a great finisher. If he had some really good KO power or sick submissions he'd have a good chance of winning but GnPing a guy with the size and wrestling experience Lesnar has will be too difficult for 5 rounds. I hope Randy wins though.
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My question is "How good at submissions does Randy have to be to beat Brock?"
I certainly don't know, but how good of sub defense can Brock possibly have? Herring turtled and got raped (but didn't finished). It would seem odd if Randy did the same thing\allowed the same thing to happen...at least for 5 rounds anyway. I just can't help but to think that experience is going to go against Brock. He could absolutely win, no question. But does anyone really feel comfortable saying 100% that he will?
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I already said Nog is my favorite for the whole thing: What would be the ideal situation for the UFC out of this? If Nog wins the whole thing then no one could argue that Fedor is #2...no one could be that stupid to believe it. Dana might say it, but come on. How would the (if it would) HW MMA landscape change if one of the other three pulled out the upset?
My question is "How good at submissions does Randy have to be to beat Brock?"
I certainly don't know, but how good of sub defense can Brock possibly have? Herring turtled and got raped (but didn't finished). It would seem odd if Randy did the same thing\allowed the same thing to happen...at least for 5 rounds anyway. I just can't help but to think that experience is going to go against Brock. He could absolutely win, no question. But does anyone really feel comfortable saying 100% that he will?
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I already said Nog is my favorite for the whole thing: What would be the ideal situation for the UFC out of this? If Nog wins the whole thing then no one could argue that Fedor is #2...no one could be that stupid to believe it. Dana might say it, but come on. How would the (if it would) HW MMA landscape change if one of the other three pulled out the upset?
I think that's the question. How good do Randy's subs need to be? Good enough to sub Brock. I think Brock is a bad match-up for Randy: a huge athletic heavyweight with a strong wrestling base. I realize Randy beat Randleman years ago but Brock has almost half a foot and nearly 100 lbs on Randleman while maintaining a high level of strength & athleticism. If they stay standing I think Randy will land the majority of strikes but sooner or later Brock will land a few hard ones that could drop Randy. On the ground I don't picture Randy GnPing Brock to a victory. He might but Brock is a huge heavyweight and Randy's going to have a very hard time holding him down and scoring points for the majority of the fight. So I picture Randy having to win by submissions or using dirty boxing from the clinch.
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It's enough. As long as he can stay off of his back he'll deal with Brock.
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