Vid on Frank and Cung's upcoming fight showing both of them using hypoxic training. Guess they didn't learn from Wanderlei's experience
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I'm not sold on that method of training. Is there any research or anecdotal evidence of it being successful? With the high altitude training I can see it, plus there's more evidence, but with the method these guys and Wanderlei are using I'm not so sure.
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I have no idea how much of an advantage it would give but if I were Frank I'd be spending my time on learning how to counter Le's arsenal of kicks.
And I'm not convinced that all Frank's physioball work is gonna help against those kicks either. Call me crazy.
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I'm not sold on that method of training. Is there any research or anecdotal evidence of it being successful? With the high altitude training I can see it, plus there's more evidence, but with the method these guys and Wanderlei are using I'm not so sure.
See if I get this straight...
Hypoxic training is the simulation of high altitude environment during for a specific amount of time at a lower level elevation (ie 45 minute jog) then returning to the normal low level environment, where as high altitude training is living and training at the higher elevation.
The idea is to condition the body to work hard with lower oxygen intake. Theoretically during a match your body would be able to go harder and longer, but I'm not convinced that the type of hypoxic training they are using is worth the investment in time and effort as compared with just doing hard interval/circuit training for conditioning and more skill practice.
Then again I'm not training fighters so...
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Working "hard," or the perception of working hard, doesn't really mean anything. Sweating, vomiting, and breathing hard could be a good workout or a tropical disease kicking in.-Dan John
Hypoxic training is the simulation of high altitude environment during for a specific amount of time at a lower level elevation (ie 45 minute jog) then returning to the normal low level environment, where as high altitude training is living and training at the higher elevation.
Is that correct??
You got it.
I understand the theory behind why they do it. It's the effectiveness I'm questioning. I don't know if lowering the amount of oxygen you're taking in just during your workout is enough to cause any real beneficial adaptations. With high altitude training the person is continuously subjected to a low-oxygen environment typically for at least a month. I'm also wondering if the degree to which their methods deprive oxygen is optimal or similar to the amount deprived by high-altitude environments. Lastly, I'm wondering if the lower quality of performance bound to accompany their method outweighs any benefit it may bring.
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Originally Posted by kuri
The idea is to condition the body to work hard with lower oxygen intake. Theoretically during a match your body would be able to go harder and longer, but I'm not convinced that the type of hypoxic training they are using is worth the investment in time and effort as compared with just doing hard interval/circuit training for conditioning and more skill practice.
Then again I'm not training fighters so...
Ya, but there are some guys who we all know are far from being the best trainers who are training fighters. Just look at that guy training Rich Franklin.
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I understand the theory behind why they do it. It's the effectiveness I'm questioning. I don't know if lowering the amount of oxygen you're taking in just during your workout is enough to cause any real beneficial adaptations. With high altitude training the person is continuously subjected to a low-oxygen environment typically for at least a month. I'm also wondering if the degree to which their methods deprive oxygen is optimal or similar to the amount deprived by high-altitude environments. Lastly, I'm wondering if the lower quality of performance bound to accompany their method outweighs any benefit it may bring.
That is my take on it also. Back in college the Aviation building had a high-altitude training chamber, so I have a little background in the high altitude physiology. The benefits I see from that type of training seem to be minimal.
I just hope no members of my gym see that video or else we'll be seeing a rash of injuries from guys doing flips on physioballs
Who ya picking, Cung or Frank?
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That is my take on it also. Back in college the Aviation building had a high-altitude training chamber, so I have a little background in the high altitude physiology. The benefits I see from that type of training seem to be minimal.
Just the fact that you're college had an Aviation building makes me bow down to you. I don't think I would've left that building. lol
Kuri, I'm picking Frank on the basis that I don't know how Cung's ground skills are. I do kind of hope Cung takes it though. What about you?
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I'm thinking Cung is gonna take it. He's too much for Frank standing and I'm doubting that Frank can keep him down. Cung by decision.
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People are raving about Frank looking ripped but check out Le's entire midsection. He's got some serious power behind his strikes.
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Gotta think those kicks of Cung are just going to be too much... For Frank to win he has to get Cung right away, and I don't think that is going to happen.
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Hypoxic training again: Shammy & Le
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