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Old 09-10-2007, 11:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys...haven't seen the fight yet...just the summary and the post fight back and forth.

Apparently he broke a rib in the first, (when he was performing respectably?) and then was a poor imitation of himself in the second and third, where he took between 2 and three knees to the groin?

So...did he look like he wanted to be there? Or was it like the last two fights?

In other words....is he finished or can we expect more?
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Old 09-10-2007, 03:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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He's done. From round one he wasn't doing anything, he just didn't want to be there. Kongo was in complete control the entire fight.
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Old 09-10-2007, 05:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Pretty disappointing performance imo.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:52 AM   #4 (permalink)
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From the ring walk he looked like he didn't want to be thr. What about Mark Hammil being robbed?!?!
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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From the ring walk he looked like he didn't want to be thr. What about Mark Hammil being robbed?!?!
Yeah, that was pretty whack. Hammil won rd 1, Bisping won rd3, but rd 2 I can see how the judges went either way. Hammils only real damage was in rd 1 with the big right, but he did NOTHING. he let Bisping get up. Do I think bisping won? No, but it could go either way, they both had a decisive round, and round 2 was a toss up.


quote from Jeff Mullens about the fight

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September 11th, 2007 “Hello to everyone on the Underground. I have been reading the underground for years. I used to post quite a bit. Then I decided it would be better for me to stay out of all the arguments. I want to thank all of you guys for being so nice to me through the years. I have seen almost no negative posts about me here until now. I first started judging the UFC in 1996. I have been judging UFC almost twice as long as any other active judge. I am a former kick boxer and have been training grappling for 13 years. I am not here to argue with any of you or tell you that your opinion is wrong. I am only going to tell you why I judged the fight the way I did. Watch the fight again and turn off the sound. Commentary can color what you see. No doubt Hamill dominated the 1st. He hurt Bisping with a right hand right off the bat and again near the end of the round. He out scored Bisping and busted him up. It was a very impressive round for Hamill but still a 10-9 round. Not dominant enough for a 10-8. Watch the beginning of the second round closely. When Hamill throws the jab, Bisping slips the punch and hits him with his own counter jab. It is hard to see on camera because Hamill’s back is to the camera. His back was also to Goldie who was talking like the beginning of this round was like a continuation of the 1st. If you look you will see that Hamill is facing me giving me a clear view of what is landing. Bisping was landing the jab again and again and not getting hit. Hamill got 2 takedowns in rounds 2 and 3 but did very little with them. Bisping is using an active guard trying to turn for armbars and sweeps, Hamill is doing very little on top. Bisping is keeping him from scoring or improving his position. In the 3rd round Bisping actually lands more punchesd from the bottom than Hamill does from the top. In both the 2nd and 3rd rounds Bisping does more scoring. Striking. Under pride style scoring Hamill would have won. He did more damage, but it was all in the 1st round. By 10 point must system Bisping won the fight 2 rounds to 1 . 29-28 Bisping. Sometime the angle you see the fight effects your decision. That is why they put the judges on 3 different sides. BY THE WAY MARIO YAMASAKI THOUGHT BISPING WON ROUNDS 2 AND 3 ALSO. MARIO WAS THE REF AND HAD A BETTER VIEW THAN ANY OF US. I have never taken a payoff as some of you have suggested and never will. You may not agree with my decision but please don’t question my honesty.”

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=7746
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Mirko looked like crap. He was out of shape and totally dead in that fight. I don't care what anyone says Hamill got robbed. The best part of the night though was when Rampage said " People don't know. I got a secreat. Ju-jit-su!" That guy is awesome.
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Crocop has seemed like he's not motivated to fight for a while now. It sucks to say but I think he's done. He might finish out his contract but any fighting spirit that was in him sure seems to be gone.

And yes, Hammil was robbed.
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I don't get Mirko. What can be bothering him that much? I was really a fan of him, but to see him get owned like that.....Still, his time in Pride and K1 will be great!
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http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...eick-kong_news

He looks like a later Tyson when he stopped throwing combos and kept swinging haymakers...has he fallen for his own hype or what the hell is going on with him?
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Hmmmm..

From: http://www.sherdog.net/...thre adid=641034

Mirko's ex coach interview, 14th September 2007

Link: http://www.index.hr/....rt/358 483.aspx

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The storm is still not over from Mirko's second in a row defeat, which was also the most delicate one. Last day many stories were written about Cro Cops questionable professional future, and Marijan Zizanovic, one of the pioneers of Thai box in Europe and Mirko's trainer from end of 1990's, gave his expert comment.

At that time Mirko was on a roll, making fighters like Mike Bernardo, Musashi, Fujita and Aerts fall down. Today, the story is a little different. Although many people saw the appearance of Remy Bonjasky, Gilbert Yvel and Ivan Hippolyte as the return of stand up fighting, where Mirko used to be dominant, the results were shocking.

"Believe me, before the match I was assuring my friends that Mirko will finish the fight in the first round. Mladen Brestovac, a fighter I trained for 4 years, fought Kongo in K-1 and lost 2:1, which was a complete robbery. I remember 2000 spectators protesting.

Brestovac destroyed Kongo in that match, and you can't compare Brestovac and Filipovic. I was expecting an easy and quick Mirko's victory. However, obviously some things in Cro Cop Team are not done the way they are supposed to be. First of all, I want to emphasize I deeply respect Mirko. He is undoubtly a talent and a hard worker, a worker you rarely meet at all and not just in martial arts.

There are several reasons for what's happening to him, in my opinion. First one is that he changes coaches too often. That's my subjective impression. I've been in combat sport for a long time, and I know how important continuity is.

Second, I seems to me that Mirko himself is not really sure what he wants to put emphasis on, the ground fighting or the striking aspect of MMA. Mirko is an exceptional striker, and I believe his trainings should focus on that aspect.", Mirko's ex coach says.

The objections don't end here. Zizanovic claims that a lot of mistakes were made during preparations, that too much emphasis was put on the development of so called apsolute strength.
"If you work on apsolute strength, disregarding explosive strength, condition or flexibility, you wan't get a good fighter.

In martial arts the most important thing is the balance between condition, flexibility and explosive power. Besides that, it's visible that Mirko lost some of his striking technique, and technique is the basis of each sport. I read somewhere that the Kostelic family [Croatia's skiers, winners of several Olympic medals], in their prime, every year before the beginning of the season, hired a coach to work on polishing of technique that got lost during the season.

It's the same in martial arts. Unfortunately, Mirko today, as far as his striking is concerned, is a mere shadow of what he used to be while fighting in K-1.", Zizanovic honestly says.

Psychology of training has an impact, too.
"Mirko has quite a big number of all kind of experts, doctors, professors etc. in his team today. It's all nice on paper, however coaches prove themselves in the gym. With all due respect to education and titles, coaches are coaches because they make fighters and not because they have a title like dr. in front of their name.

I think Mirko should have one coach, and that one should be a striking coach, since Mirko is, first of all, a striker like few in the world. Of course, additional trainers are needed, there are no results without a team, but one has to be in charge. It seems to me that each of those experts in Cro Cop Team does his own job without much thought on what the other ones are doing. There are too many of them, and they are not coordinated.

Which leads us to another problem, and that's a lack of classical relationship between a coach and a fighter which has to be full of confidence and respect. I don't want to promote myself, but it's a fact that I was an authority to Mirko. I respected him as a fighter, and he respected me as a coach.

Today, surrounded with a huge number of experts and those who are not experts, Mirko not only doesn't have a coach he considers an authority, it's actually exactly the opposite - he is an authority to people that should prepare him for fights! That's an unnatural environment in which there can be no progress. Drogba [football player], no matter how good he is, will sit on the bench if Mourihno [his coach] says so!"

In his detailed analysis, he also mentions claims of fear in Mirko's head after the brutal defeat from Gonzaga. "There is not a single fighter that doesn't rewind a KO, knockdown or something similar in his head. Mirko is too experienced to be seriously distracted in Kongo fight by memories of a KO from the Gonzaga fight. A man of Mirko's intelligence, and he is an extremely intelligent guy, can put 2 and 2 together, rationally analyze the fight with Gonzaga and draw conclusions on the factors that led to the defeat.

No, I don't think something like that played a role in the Kongo fight. People that enter the ring or octagon are not afraid. There is tension, but it's not paralyzing. I'll repeat, I think it's a matter of inadequate physical preparation.

From what I can hear, Mirko was in excellent shape. It might me true that he was ready - ready for some other sport. But not for MMA. And since psychological condition is in correlation with physical condition... well, draw your own conclusion."

Mirko mentioned retiring even before being defeated by Kongo, but his ex coach believes in his return. A big style one.

"It's his personal decision, but if I were in his place, I'd show all the weak believers in Croatia and the world who and what I am. I assure you, Mirko can still beat anyone. If he comes back to 80 percent of his K-1 days striking skills, no one in the UFC will be able to answer his attacks. And he can do it!"
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