I heard that after this aired Alwyn, Bill, and Dos trashed all their scientific mumbo jumbo and went to study under Franklin's trainer.
Or not. Seriously the only thing missing from that workout is Rich doing slow 10 mile runs with a sandbag on his shoulder
Guess he should worked more on how to get out of a Thai clinch.
You crack me up Kuri!!
so do you think that Crossfit is the way to go for MMA fighters or is it a combination of things? I know Chuck Trains crossfit, but I've never seen his fights go long enough to know if his conditioning is good or not.
I don't know what Chuck does but I'll bet money that he does not do the daily WOD off of Crossfit as his sole means of strength and conditioning work.
I don't presume to know anything about training fighters but as for strength & conditioning qualities I'd say fighters obviously benefit by being in the best possible aerobic condition while being as strong as possible for their weight. Not exactly groundbreaking ideas there but I think the trick is how to accomplish that in the most effective way possible so that maximum time and effort can be dedicated to MMA-specific skill training.
Rich Franklin may be stronger under the bar than Silva but that really didn't help him much. Neither did Coleman or Randleman's impressive physiques. Their opponents were just more skilled, were able to deal with the physical strength, and didn't gas.
Oh wait, this is much a much better answer. Bill Hartman just made this excellent post today.
Quote:
Impossible to determine what an imaginary athlete needs, but here's what I'd do.
1. Look at the athlete's abilities and the demands of the sport.
2. Rate the qualities (I use a 10 point scale) that would develop the ideal athlete for said sport.
3. Compare the athlete's abilities the ideal athlete for said sport.
4. Create programming that raises the athlete's deficient abilities to the ideal in a progressive manner and maintains the abilities that the athlete already possesses.
5. Use the "warm-up" to maintain mobility and functional relationships that could be potentially affected by the training program and life in general
6. Use the post-training period to address restorative measures or potential weaknesses that may develop from performing the prescribed training program (there is no perfect training program)
Example:
Johnny wants to be a mixed martial artist.
The ideal physical abilties for a MMA are (I'm making this up):
Flexibilty = 7 (a 10 would be gymnast or one of those cirque de soleil people...get it)
relative strength = 8
Power = 7
Technical skill = 9
anaerobic endurance = 8
and so on for each required ability
Johnny's abilities are:
Flexibility = 9
Relative strength = 5
Power = 5
Technical skill = 9
anaerobic endurance = 4
and so on for each ability
Prioritize what you feel will have the greatest impact in increasing performance and develop any abilities that may be supportive of that ability in decreasing importance.
Maintain what is already at or above desired level of development.
Johnny has great flexibility. Maintain it with the minimum amount of time required. His technical skills are great maintain them as needed.
Prioritize what you feel is most important between the other abilties and raise them accordingly (keep in mind there are many types of strength and other abilities that will influence performance including psychological abilities)
Bill's answer sure can help put stuff in perspective, no? Lots of people just train to train, without thought of what factors need attention in relation to other factors.
As Dos has emphasized (if I can accurately summarize/paraphrase), genetically gifted and physically talented people can train in some really crappy ways and still perform well because they are naturally gifted and highly skilled. That doesn't mean their training is the best training for anyone, themselves included.
I remember reading of training programs for Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds,and some footballers. They really sucked, and had little to no relation to the skills they need in the game. Sure, it was hard stuff. And very creative stuff that their "top notch" trainers came up with. But pretty much BS from the perspective of being good and proper training for those particular athletes in their sports.
That said about assessment and targeted programming, I suppose I see skill, energy systems work (endurance under different conditions), and quickness as being really important to competitive martial artists. Then I'd put strength down a tier under that. But, heck, it's all important. I guess I see it as: one can never have enough skill or enough quickness, and one needs to be able to keep putting out without getting gassed. After that, strong enough is strong enough.
Thought you guys might enjoy this video I found on another forum.
Interested to hear everyone's thoughts on his training.
My opinion...he could do better, but that's from a nobody!
I can appreciate doing 2 tours in Vietnam but there has to be adequate science behind your madness. Also, just to make a point about the role of S&C in MMA fighting....you can train 5-10, 5-10 min. "crazy-ass body-part circuits" all day long.......until you get kneed in the face. What is the old saying? "everyone has a plan..until you get hit in the mouth"
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Robert dos Remedios, MA, CSCS,
HCC (Hartman-Cosgrove Certified)
Director of Speed, Strength & Conditioning
College of the Canyons, CA http://www.canyons.edu/departments/pe/strength
"NO CHAMPION HAS EVER ACHIEVED HIS OR HER GOAL WITHOUT SHOWING MORE DEDICATION THAN THE NEXT PERSON; MAKING MORE SACRIFICES THAN THE NEXT PERSON; WORKING HARDER, TRAINING, AND CONDITIONING HIM / HERSELF MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON; ENJOYING HIS / HER FINAL GOAL MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON"
I wouldn't hire that guy as a trainer. The training programs some fighters use really puzzles me. I dont think workouts like this are one of the more effective routes to take. But I saw the routines some other fighters use and they usually aren't much better. Maybe that's why they can get away with it?
Rich Franklin Training video
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