Swick calling out Silva? - JP Fitness Forums

dos · 10-18-2006, 12:55 PM

This kid is kidding right? After the Franklin beating he said that he wanted Silva bad, as a matter of fact, he was in the back of the post-fight press conference and shouted out to Dana that he wasnted a title shot @ Silva.Quote: "I'm not Rick Franklin". Uh, yeah.....you certainly are not. Maybe someone should remind Mr. Swick about Chris Leban's KO.

Chops · 10-18-2006, 02:39 PM

I wanna see a rematch between Franklin and Silva before I see any other title shots. I think Franklin just had a really bad night and if they fought again we'd see a much different bout. I mean, Silva would probably win again, but I think Franklin deserves a chance to show he's better than a Muy Thai Bag.

Misfit · 10-18-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chops

I wanna see a rematch between Franklin and Silva before I see any other title shots. I think Franklin just had a really bad night and if they fought again we'd see a much different bout. I mean, Silva would probably win again, but I think Franklin deserves a chance to show he's better than a Muy Thai Bag.

Unfortunately he most likely will lose again, I sure would like to see him win because Rich is really the only UFC fighter I would consider myself a real fan of. But I think you're right, the second time around Rich will give a much better fight. I think he'll get his rematch also. To me the problem didn't look so much as Silva being way better, or Rich having a bad night, but that Rich was just terribly unprepared for what Silva was going to bring.

kuri · 10-18-2006, 05:01 PM

I'm positive Dana would love nothing better than a TUFer like Swick getting a belt, which is why I'm also positive that is why Swick won't get an immediate title fight. Silva would own him bad standing or on the ground. Even Dana has to realize that.

Don't forget that Silva has a black belt in BJJ from the Nogueira brothers. That's a belt that means something.

Rumor is the UFC is trying to resign Matt Lindland, who probably has the best shot of anyone at beating Silva due to his wrestling game. Too bad Dana fucked Lindland over a couple of years ago when he was due for a title match.

ReadyDad · 10-18-2006, 05:46 PM

I've heard the Lindland rumors -- I've also heard something about Hughes (??) -- but a Silva-Franklin rematch has got to be first priority for Dana.

UFC and Xyience have too much invested in Franklin. He's a bankable guy and a fan favorite. If he were to go the way of Loiseau and lose to an up-and-comer, that would mean lots of lost revenue. On the other hand, if he wins the re-match then everyone would buy Franklin Silva 3 on PPV. Excepting Lindland, I don't know who currently in the UFC you would want to put against Silva.

Silva's darn good, but I'm not ready to nut-hug (to borrow a favorite Sherdog term) him yet. I think Franklin could defeat him on a good night and with the right game plan.

In any case, I don't know whether to weep for or laugh at whoever wins TUF 4 in the MW division.

ReadyDad · 10-18-2006, 07:28 PM

From the blog of Matt Hughes:

"Sunday, October 8, 2006
Tomorrow I'm going to New York, Chuck and I will be on ESPN. Fly back tomorrow night.

This week I'll spend Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday morning with my brother getting crops out and also trying to spend as much time with my family as I can.

Thursday night, my wife and I leave for Las Vegas for the UFC. I hope Rich wins, but if Anderson wins I would consider bumping up to 185 and fighting him."

dos · 10-18-2006, 09:09 PM

Anderson Silva will put a beat down on Hughes. I just don't see Matt matching up with him at all. Silva must have about a foot and a half reach advantage on him....we already know what a deadly, pinpoint striker he is and he's no joke on the ground. For Silva to crack Hughes in the face with a knee would be the equivalent of the knees he was landing early on franklin's mid-section. Why can't these guys live in their own realistic weight classes? BTW, can you imagine what would happen if that fight woere to hapen and Hughes get the beat down? They would find Dana White in a catatonic state, rocking back an forth in his shower or something. The only thing left would be to feed Sylvia to Fedor.....

kuri · 10-19-2006, 12:07 AM

Hilarious Dos. The image of Dana in his shower is disturbing but funny.

Silva would light Hughes up standing and I've seen him sub guys in Pride via triangles with those long legs so it's debatable as to if Hughes could control him on the ground. Silva would be every bit as heavy as Matt so there goes his biggest advantage.

Sylvia wouldn't even make a decent hors de ouvre for Fedor.

ReadyDad · 10-19-2006, 09:21 AM

I can't imagine Dana would allow Hughes to go up to fight Silva, at least in the near term. Assuming Hughes gets by GSP, he's got to take on and destroy the TUF winner.

If Hughes were to lose to Silva, it would be a UFC nightmare because it would confirm beyond doubt that the Pride fighters are better. Dana's already got a complex about this. No way he wants to risk a Hughes loss on a stunt.

Chris D · 10-19-2006, 12:35 PM

Don't follow the sport as much as you guys, but from what I've seen of Swick he's a lot better than Leban...my opinion of course.
It would be an interesting fight Swick and Silva.

getgot211 · 10-19-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ReadyDad

If Hughes were to lose to Silva, it would be a UFC nightmare because it would confirm beyond doubt that the Pride fighters are better.

huh?

dos · 10-19-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris D

Don't follow the sport as much as you guys, but from what I've seen of Swick he's a lot better than Leban...my opinion of course.
It would be an interesting fight Swick and Silva.

Leben knocked Swick out a couple of year ago....you probably remem,ber the razzing Swick was taking in the TUF house about it. I think they have both improved since then, in fact, I think Leben has really developed into a pretty decent fighter.

dos · 10-19-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ReadyDad

I've heard the Lindland rumors -- I've also heard something about Hughes (??) -- but a Silva-Franklin rematch has got to be first priority for Dana.

UFC and Xyience have too much invested in Franklin. He's a bankable guy and a fan favorite. If he were to go the way of Loiseau and lose to an up-and-comer, that would mean lots of lost revenue. On the other hand, if he wins the re-match then everyone would buy Franklin Silva 3 on PPV. Excepting Lindland, I don't know who currently in the UFC you would want to put against Silva.

Silva's darn good, but I'm not ready to nut-hug (to borrow a favorite Sherdog term) him yet. I think Franklin could defeat him on a good night and with the right game plan.

In any case, I don't know whether to weep for or laugh at whoever wins
TUF 4 in the MW division.

Lindland would be great for the UFC 185 class.....talk about a game fighter who must be VERY hard to train for. Man did he do a number on Jeremy Horn in the last IFL event.

ReadyDad · 10-19-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by getgot211

huh?

Isn't it generally accepted that the best fighters in the world -- especially at the heavyweight, light-heavyweight and middleweight classes -- are in the Pride organization?

kuri · 10-19-2006, 02:25 PM

At this point Dana would have to fork out more than what Franklin is making (21k this past fight) to get Lindland.

I'm sure that with the IFL and WFA Lindland is pulling in some good cash and fighting arguably tougher guys (Rampage, Horn). Besides, if I were Lindland the shit the UFC pulled in cutting his contract would have a sour taste in my mouth.

ko67 · 10-19-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chops

I wanna see a rematch between Franklin and Silva before I see any other title shots. I think Franklin just had a really bad night and if they fought again we'd see a much different bout. I mean, Silva would probably win again, but I think Franklin deserves a chance to show he's better than a Muy Thai Bag.

Yeah, getting a knee to the face (twice) makes for a bad night.

Franklin better learn how to work in the Muy Thai clinch. I did not look like he knew what to do.

If he doesn't, it'll be repeat of the previous bout.

I want to see Silva's ground game.

Lindland coming back is a possibility if Randy could set up a truce between him and Dana.

Spartan · 10-27-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dos

Anderson Silva will put a beat down on Hughes. I just don't see Matt matching up with him at all. Silva must have about a foot and a half reach advantage on him....we already know what a deadly, pinpoint striker he is and he's no joke on the ground. For Silva to crack Hughes in the face with a knee would be the equivalent of the knees he was landing early on franklin's mid-section. Why can't these guys live in their own realistic weight classes? BTW, can you imagine what would happen if that fight woere to hapen and Hughes get the beat down? They would find Dana White in a catatonic state, rocking back an forth in his shower or something. The only thing left would be to feed Sylvia to Fedor.....

Totally agree with this statement. All Hughes has is his LnP style and his conditioning. I don't think those would be enough to handle Silva who really is an all-around fighter. Silva's biggest weakness is his ground game but he's not bad there either.

I don't think anyone at 185 lbs or less in the UFC would have a decent chance of beating Silva.

It just occured to me there are too many fighters with the similar name of Silva and Sylvia. The three of them should get in the ring and the last one standing gets to keep their name. The other two have to switch to "Smith" and "Johnson".

Irishdazza · 10-28-2006, 05:44 AM

Definitely! I'm bad enough at keeping the Oriental names straight!