UFC 58 March 4 - JP Fitness Forums

kuri · 03-03-2006, 06:25 PM

The Card

Rich Franklin Vs. David Loiseau
Name: Rich Franklin
Height: 6.1
Weight: 185
Record: 21-1-0

Name: David Loiseau
Height: 6.0
Weight: 184
Record: 15-4-0

Georges St. Pierre Vs. BJ Penn
Name: Georges St. Pierre
Height: 5.10
Weight: 170
Record: 11-1-0

Name: BJ Penn
Height: 5.9
Weight: 170
Record: 10-2-1

Nate Marquardt Vs. Joe Doerksen
Name: Nate Marquardt
Height: 6.0
Weight: 185
Record: 25-6-1
Name: Joe Doerksen
Height: 6.0
Weight: 185
Record: 27-7-0

Mike Swick Vs. Steve Vigneault
Name: Mike Swick
Height: 6.1
Weight: 185
Record: 9-1-0

Name: Steve Vigneault
Height: 5.10
Weight: 185
Record: 11-5-0

Yves Edwards Vs. Mark Hominick
Name: Yves Edwards
Height: 5.9
Weight: 155
Record: 28-8-1

Name: Mark Hominick
Height: 5.8
Weight: 155
Record: 9-4-0

Rob MacDonald Vs. Jason Lambert
Name: Rob MacDonald
Height: 6.3
Weight: 205
Record: 3-1-0

Name: Jason Lambert
Height: 5.10
Weight: 205
Record: 19-5-0

Tom Murphy Vs. Icho Larenas
Name: Tom Murphy
Height: 6.1
Weight: 225
Record: 4-1-0

Name: Icho Larenas - late replacement
Height: ?
Weight: ?
Record: undefeated, all by TKO

Spencer Fisher Vs. Sam Stout
Name: Spencer Fisher
Height: 5.7
Weight: 170
Record: 16-1-0

Name: Sam Stout
Height: 5.9
Weight: 155
Record: 8-1-1

kuri · 03-03-2006, 06:32 PM

To me BJ vs. GSP will be the highpoint of the night. Both of these guys are massively talented. I think it all depends on if BJ shows up motivated and in shape. If he is then GSP is in for a long night. Or a short one as the case may be.

BJ recently fought and nearly beat heavyweight Lyoto Machida, who knocked out 185lb champ Rich Franklin.

Rich vs. Loiseau is too close to call. Both smart, skilled, explosive fighters that can do it all. If Rich can figure a way to get Loiseau on his back I think he can ground & pound out a victory. But if Loiseau gets Rich where he wants him then it's death by a thousand elbows.

Heres a cool vid of Franklin in training: http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=592

Kaiser · 03-03-2006, 10:04 PM

Nice card. Once again, I'll be seeing this in about 3 months when they show it on the hi-def channel. Saw a lesser known circuit the other night, and it had Lambert in one of the fights. These guys seemed to have more movement and action than the UFC fights, if less skill.

kuri · 03-04-2006, 08:19 PM

Which org was that Kaiser?

It might have seemed like more action be because they had lighter weights. The last UFC was mostly heavyweights, and slow ones at that, but finally they are bringing back the 155lb division. I love to watch those guys!

I hope they get Genki Sudo back, though he is making 10x as much in K-1 now. He'd be a great matchup against Yves Edwards, who's fighting tonight.

No other MMA fans on the forum?!

Buk · 03-04-2006, 08:46 PM

I enjoy watching, but don't really keep up with it. Probably won't buy it tonight because I forgot about it until I saw your post, and didn't have time to get anyone else rounded up to come over.

Kaiser, you have to ge me a heads up when the HD cannel is showing it - who is your provider, which HD: inHD, HDNet, comcast, dish, direct?

You got a Pizza on order Kuri?

kuri · 03-05-2006, 12:41 AM

We broke tradition by not making pizza (never order) cuz Aya is sick. Turkey chili, falafels, and green tea did the trick though.

What a great night of fights!

Nate Marquardt looked solid in a decision win. Mark Hominick slapped on a tight triangle choke for the win. Mike Swick guillotined Vigneault,

and

A bloody GSP won a split decision over BJ! BJ beat him up pretty good in the 1st round. Dominated St. Pierre really. But GSP scored some good takedowns in rounds 2 & 3. It was close but that did it for GSP. BJ looked like he was going for the KO the whole time and not using a point strategy.

Once again Rich Franklin proved he's the best. Loiseau was tentative at first and it cost him, getting busted up. By the end of the 4th round I don't know how he could see with both eyes almost totally shut.

Nevertheless Loiseau knocked down Franklin with a clean left hook and had him hurt in the third.

Rich broke his left hand in the 2nd round and had to fight 3 more rounds with one hand. And he still won. Damn.

Franklin has limping and had one hand. Loiseau's face was puffed up like the Pillsbury doughboy.

They fought hard for 25 minutes yet neither looked winded. That's some serious conditioning.

That was a war.

I'll post links to the fights on google video or youtube.com when people post them in a day or two.

kuri · 03-05-2006, 01:59 PM

Heres the first half of Penn Vs. GSP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMIwr...earch=ufc%2058

buster · 03-06-2006, 10:37 AM

Kuri, thanks alot man. I've seen GSP fight several times and was always impressed but never seen anybody bust him up like Penn did in that first round.

dawong · 03-06-2006, 02:19 PM

i believe the rest of the fights (or at least the main ones) are on youtube as well.

buster · 03-07-2006, 12:36 AM

Franklin vs Loiseau.....OMG What a fight!!!!!!!!

kuri · 03-07-2006, 01:25 AM

I see Franklin has a cast on his left foot as well, and some problems with his right hand.

So basically he beat Loiseau with a broken foot, a broken hand, and another damaged hand.

wow

Mountain_marc · 03-07-2006, 11:02 AM

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I see Franklin has a cast on his left foot as well, and some problems with his right hand.

So basically he beat Loiseau with a broken foot, a broken hand, and another damaged hand.

wow

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Where did you find that info?

kuri · 03-07-2006, 11:54 AM

Well with Franklin bein' ma boy n all.... naaah

In this post-fight video with Franklin: http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=596

I'm really wondering about his lifting/conditioning routines though... all machines, high reps of leg extensions, bicep curls.....

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Irishdazza · 03-28-2006, 02:12 PM

Finally saw it....Liked the Canadian Kick boxer at the start and Franklin - he seems to be quality...thought the Penn/Acronym boy fight was messy and had it been longer would have had a better outcome.

ReadyDad · 03-30-2006, 11:52 AM

I thought the two main events Franklin vs. Loiseau and Penn vs. GSP were very good. I can't wait to see GSP go against Matt Hughes. I just wish the silly Gracie bout weren't in the way.

Unfortunately, the UFC has great champions but a thin field of contenders. Who's going to challenge Franklin now? Who's really going to give a fight to Arlovsky or Liddell?

If the UFC is really going to go to the next level, they need to bring in some more real fighters.

kuri · 03-30-2006, 03:23 PM

Matt Lindland and Ivan Salaverry could come in and put up a great fight against Franklin, maybe even win. In fact I'd put money on Lindland.

One problem is that Dana White got rid of both these guys probably because they aren't the "stand and bang" kinda fighters.

The UFC could also bring in Rampage Jackson, who has beaten Lidell by TKO, if only they'd loosen the purse strings a bit. Jackson will be a free agent very soon and has expressed interest in the UFC.

But the UFC won't do that. Franklin made $30k his last fight. 30k for a main draw champ defending his belt while the UFC pulled in something like 3 million at the gate and $12-14 million in PPV buys. Now that is a joke.

Wanderlei Silva pockets over half a million for each fight in Pride. Yoshida and Sakuraba reportedly rake in a million per fight.

My question is why would Chuck, Arlovski, and Franklin stay with the UFC?

I say the level of competition in Pride has alot to do with it.

dawong · 03-30-2006, 08:26 PM

i thought rampage did sign with UFC recently? or is still rumors? on his website, he is wearing a UFC belt. http://www.rampagestreetsoldier.com/

getgot211 · 03-30-2006, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawong

i thought rampage did sign with UFC recently? or is still rumors? on his website, he is wearing a UFC belt. http://www.rampagestreetsoldier.com/

rumors at this point.

Kaiser · 04-03-2006, 09:52 AM

So I read an article where MMA matches, like the ones put on by the UFC, are eating the lunch of traditional boxing. It's not hard to see why.

That being said, on Saturday night I was surprised to see Showtime show up on my cable as I was clicking through. It was a free preview (and Hi-Def too!). I saw the entire 12 round heavyweight championship affair between Lamon Brewster and Sergei Liakhovich. The utter slugfest (both men have very strong chins) ended up going the distance. I don't think I have ever seen two heavyweights throw and land that many punches in a fight since Ali-Frazier. Liakhovich's hands were lightning quick and Bewster's reputation for having the most dangerous single punch in the game today was evident. So while the sweet science may be down, it hasn't quite yet been KO'd by MMA. The fact that I sat enraptured by this contest showed that to me.

Details on the fight can be found here: http://www.sho.com/site/boxing/archi...&content=video