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Old 03-07-2009, 09:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Question about splenda and diet drinks.

I use splenda instead of sugar due to the fact that it has no calories. My thing is, if I use splenda all day and then eat and drink other items with splenda already mixed in wouldn't at some point I be consuming calories from splenda?

I mean there would at some point be calories consumed due to the total amount of splenda, right?

I know it might not be a big deal, but every little calorie I can dodge helps.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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There was a recent discussion here. Hope it helps.
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Geez, I searched a couple days ago and there was no topic. Of course now I look like a putz because a whole thread is already here about it!

Thanks Lost Dog for the link. It covered exactly what I wanted to know.

Next time I will search again before wasting a new topic thread!
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Old 03-07-2009, 03:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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No problem! The search is not intuitive, anyway. It's gets better. Welcome to the forum!
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Old 03-07-2009, 04:35 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Just adding that there has been some research done that sugar substitutes might signal the same hunger cues as sugar. I used to drink a lot of diet pop, but can't really say if it made me more hungry or not. I do know that now (with not drinking much) that a couple on the same day will make me retain water like you wouldn't believe.
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:19 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't know if sugar substitutes signals hunger or not, but I do know that I used to find that if I drank diet soda, I'd then crave something salty/crunchy after. And then the salty thing would make me crave more diet soda. It was a vicious circle of diet soda and Doritos, literally. Oddly, when finally I gave up the diet soda in favor of water, it was relatively easy to give up the Doritos.

So I mostly stay away from diet soda these days. But I do use protein powder that contains Splenda. And it doesn't seem to trigger hunger signals. FWIW.
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no problems here, and I can get up to a 6pack a day.
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I think once you've avoided the combination that triggers the vicious circle for a while, you're good. Not to say that having a dorito or soda won't cause a relapse...
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I think once you've avoided the combination that triggers the vicious circle for a while, you're good. Not to say that having a dorito or soda won't cause a relapse...
Yeah, the cycle was about a decade ago. Now, I can have some diet soda on occasion and not get back into it. Or have some Doritos (single serving bags only) if I get the itch and not trigger anything.

But I admit it, diet soda sometimes goes down better when I am sick and have a sore throat.
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100% Rationalisation:

A sweetner is like a painkiller. If you have a sweet tooth or a persistant craving to which you give into so pack on the pounds then using a sweetner does not remove the problem of the cravnig it only reduces its consequences. I was on the V-Diet using a lot of sweetner, since my whey was bulk, when I came off the diet I carried on using sweetner avidly, since my taste buds had become accustomed to oversweetened foods. I got myself stuck spending money on sweetner, expensive, every week because I felt I needed it.

I whened myself off it by buying sweet spices like ginger and chilli which are really edgy and then used cinnamon and cloves which are gentle, also added in tumeric. Spices are cheaper than splenda et al and also have semi-proven benefits. So the next time you run out of splenda buy some ginger and chilli!
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splenda actually has 4 calories per packet, but because of FDA regulations they dont have to "technically" put that on their labels so you are consuming calories.

another interesting fact about splenda is its chlorinated sugar, so when your body takes the sucrose from the molecule to use it as energy when it gets into your system negative chlorine ions are left floating around in your body. and since their are no "long term" studies that have been conducted on users of splenda because it only been around for 10 years you dont really know if this could be detrimental

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and table salt is Na+Cl- and the Cl- float around in your body while the Na+ ions do what Na+ ions do - the point?
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and table salt is Na+Cl- and the Cl- float around in your body while the Na+ ions do what Na+ ions do - the point?
NaCl stays together in your body, Cl- is a negative ion floating around in your body ready to bond with any posative ion it comes across, im just saying that nobody knows what happens to all those excess chlorine ions, chlorine gas is lethal. if Cl- were to bond with H+ in your stomache thats no problem because you already have lots of hydrochloric acid in your stomache, but if it comes across other ions...you just never know
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I think you should go re-check your physiology text and probably a general chemistry book as well if you think NaCl never disassociates in solutions in general or in your body specifically. Or if you think clorine gas and its effects on the body are at all related to cloride ions in the body.

But that's way OT for this thread.
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when your body takes the sucrose from the molecule to use it as energy when it gets into your system negative chlorine ions are left floating around in your body.
just to be clear here:
1) there does not appear to be any evidence that sucralose is dechlorinated in the body - so there are no Cl- left floating around in your body from this source
2) the body does not "take the sucrose" and "use it as energy" - that's why they can call it a non-caloric sweetener.
3) Cl- is a completely normal ion to have "floating around" in your system

As far as I can read (limited to online documents found in 30 minutes or so of searching), in humans most of the sucralose ingested is excreted in feces (not absorbed at all). Of that which is absorbed, most of that is excreted unchanged in the urine. Much of the rest is recovered from the urine as one of two metabolites - probably the results of hydrolysis of the sugar-sugar bond (couldn't find a source that actually named the 2 metabolites recovered, but found several that referenced the two products of hydrolysis, which makes sense).

Sucralose, unlike most other chlorocarbons, does not appear to be very fat-soluble and is not thought likely to be stored in fatty tissues.

So, whether it is 100% safe to eat, safe to excrete into the sewer system or not - it does not appear to be resulting in rogue Cl- ions running about in your body that are somehow different than all the normal Cl- ions you have present all of the time.
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Aren't we all - but I don't think rogue Cl- will be the proximate cause.
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Thanks for all the responses. I am sure there is more than meets the eye when it comes to splenda and even other things we consume.
I just want to know if I need to figure out calories for items that claim zero calories but actually have them if you consume more than one serving!
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Thanks for all the responses. I am sure there is more than meets the eye when it comes to splenda and even other things we consume.
I just want to know if I need to figure out calories for items that claim zero calories but actually have them if you consume more than one serving!
To claim zero calories, it has to be 5 calories or less per serving. If a bottle says 14 servings, you can safely assume it can have up to 70 calories in the bottle.
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I just want to know if I need to figure out calories for items that claim zero calories but actually have them if you consume more than one serving!
maybe - depends on how much you are consuming. you can always round up to 1 grams worth of calories if you want - probably no big deal if you have 1 a day - bigger deal if you have 4 per glass of tea, of which you have 3-5 per day, plus 3 in your oatmeal.

Same with that spray not-butter stuff - no big deal if it is 2 sprays on something you have once a week or once a day - bigger deal if you spray everything you eat with 5-10 sprays 4 or 5 times a day (e.g. eggs in the morning, toast, veggies at lunch, veggies at dinner and air-popped popcorn as an evening snack).
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as far as the "drinks that have splenda already mixed in" - not so much.
The issue with the packets is not the splenda but the carrier to give it bulk in the packet. The soda or other manufacturers most likely work with the straight stuff and therefore the filler is not a factor.
If you like using splenda, there are consumer sources of liquid splenda (splenda in solution) where the filler is also not a factor.
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Aren't we all - but I don't think rogue Cl- will be the proximate cause.
Proximate cause - do I detect someone with a legal background, or have I been spending too much time studying for my Torts exam?
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I always wondered about artificial sweeteners myself. I drink a lot of diet sodas. I am beginning to diet again and I am considering leaving the sodas out or reducing it to only one a day.

I think that being able to drink something that taste sweet helps control my cravings. Maybe this is why the weight always seems to come back, I never changed my cravings.
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And not that I condone or accept the use of artifical sweetners, or sweetners in general...

But the calories in splenda dosen't come from the "splenda" itself, ie the Sugar+Chlorine. It comes from the same place all calories in 0 calorie sweetners come from.

The fillers they add to bulk out the sweetner to make it a decent amount.

These artifical sweetners are as I am sure you are aware SUPER sweet and only need a tiny amount to get the same sweetness as sugar.

To combat this and make the sweetners have enough bulk that you the consumer feels like they are getting a packet of sugar.

Anyhow these bulking agents are sugar, dextrose is commonly used. These are where the calories come into play.
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