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Old 06-25-2007, 04:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I never really mention it around here, but I keep a monthly log of
my long and short term fitness goals. I just keep in as a memo in
Microsoft Outlook. I have a reminder on my calendar to get me to
fill it out on the first of each month. I've been doing this for
about four years now.

I used to have a fear of getting fat again. I'm not so concerned
about it, now. But, we've all seen people lose weight, look good,
then a couple of years later, they're fat again. What happened?
Did they forget to not eat like a pig? Scale batteries needed
replacing, so they didn't notice? These aren't real reasons, of
course. We know the reason. Something else was wrong. I wrote a
little about that in Fat & Happy.

What I'm talking about here is keeping your eye on the ball; long
term focus, long term goals. These are critical, but what many
don't realize is that short term goals are also very important.
Sometimes we need or want to do something that seemingly conflicts
with our long term goal.

This is most often evident with the goal of losing fat. Especially
with a lot to lose. When I started, about four years back, I was
235lbs. Things went pretty steadily for quite some time (about a
year or so), but I remember the frustration when I finally hit a
plateau. But, I continued, singlemindedly, and, of course, nothing
happened.

Luckily, Craig Ballantyne was around to give me a shove in the right
direction. Craig had me stop the fat loss programs for a while and
concentrate on maintaining my weight and maybe putting on a little
muscle.

I'll admit that I was a bit panicky about this. It seemed like such
a long and steady road for fat loss. I really felt like I was a
good month or two away from being "done." Can't stop now! But, in
reality, I'd been convinced that I was a good month or two out for
at least 9 months...

Craig whipped up quite a verbose email speech and sent it to me. It
said something like: "your body is in starvation. eat more for
short term. then back to long term." Someone's really got to teach
Craig to "net it out" and stop with the rambling...

Well, those three short phrases got me to thinking and realizing the
importance of long and short term goals, and the relationship that
each has to the other. I think you all get the point that I'm
trying to make, but just in case... Long term = war, short term =
battle.

Politics aside, we want to win our own war. Our war on bodyfat, in
this example. But, the battles, like in real life wars, can be
straightforward attacks, holding strategies, feints, and all sorts
of other things that I really know nothing about. We can even screw
up a battle, then turn the war around with the next battle. We can
sacrifice a battle win for the good of the war, too.

Most of these things have analogies in the war on bodyfat, too.
My own stall was halted by a period of heavier eating and a
different weightlifting style. I added some muscle, knocked my
metabolism back into gear, and was able to get the fat loss headed
in the right direction just a few weeks later.

So, this brings me back to my point. The importance to have, look
at, remember, and track both your long and your short term goals.
You might even think about sharing them with friends or family (or
maybe even someone supportive?).

Keeping the long term goal in mind makes taking those necessary, but
hopefully brief, paths down the seemingly wrong path okay. You may
still wince, but you can do it. Because you know it's necessary to
KEEP you on the right path. It's hard to keep up your motivation
without a long term goal with a definite end point.

Similarly, sometimes it's hard to keep motivated when a long term
goal might not end for a long time. Short term goals, by
definition, will come to an end shortly. Pretty satisfying, right?

So, the short term goals have multiple purposes. Justification for
that side trip that might not feel "right" but is and also serve as
something like "rest stop" on your way toward your long term goals.
A chance to reset your mind and refocus on the next short term goal,
and remind yourself that you are one step closer to your long term
goal.

So, the long and short of it is that I keep my logs with my monthly
(at least) updates. Since I started, I've added general fitness and
health into, too. Blood pressure, resting heart rate, cholesterol,
etc. It's nice to have once place to go back to, to see how I've
progressed. I wish I'd started sooner.

I've known a lot of you for a long time. I've seen progress pics
and stories. I know that you all have a variety of methods to track
your progress and keep your goals in site. I know because we've had
many threads on our progress, itself. But, I can't think of one
that actually talks about HOW we chart it. How about sharing your
methods?
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow...great post, LD. I envy your commitment to goal setting and keeping. This is something I want to get much better at so I don't have any methods of my own to speak of yet. But, I'll be very interested to see how others create, manage, and stick to their goals.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Really nicely put Roland.
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I have to confess that goal-setting, especially short-term, is one of the biggest problems I have. I have this idea of where I want to be -- leaner and more muscular -- but breaking that down into manageable steps seems to be impossible. I also find it easy to get sidetracked -- I was happily working away on such-and-such plan, then I figured out I had mobility problems, so I have to put that on hold and work on mobility.

Now I understand that mobility is essential for staying healthy and sidetracked on mobility workouts is FAR better than sidetracked because of injury. I guess I would like all the short-term goals to fit into a nice linear progression towards the long-term goal and I have trouble visualizing the entire picture when they don't.
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Old 06-27-2007, 03:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I guess I didn't say anything about SETTING the long term goal, huh?

Short term goals seem pretty easy to choose. See the 61 Day Challenge, for that sort of thing.

I'm forced to admit that I've had to adjust my long term goals several times, although the goal itself has only been slightly altered.

1st: Get Skinny.

Yep. That was it. But, what did I know? I was fat and knew nothing about weights or muscle mass. I ran. I ran a lot, too (for me).

2nd: Get Lean

Better.

3rd: Get Lean and Stay Big

Desperate, but better goal.

4th: Get Lean and Get Big

After realizing that I'd dropped below "big," the goal was adjusted.

5th: Get Lean w/abs and Stay Big

This is my current mode. You can see that, overtime, they weren't dramatic changes. The get lean part kept dragging my overall size down, which I didn't like. So, I had to add in periods of muscle growth to offset my fat loss. "Luckily," I've had plenty of fat loss plateaus in which to put on/recover some muscle mass.

I've also adjusted my definition of big. I used to want 8-10% body fat and 200lbs. But, I've since listened to the advice from a few friends (read women), who told me to chill out on that. Hey, none of those guys in 300 were any 200lbs! So, I'm good at 180-185...
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I guess I didn't say anything about SETTING the long term goal, huh?
Ooops. Suppose I should have stayed on-subject with goal tracking, not goal forming. Shoulda formed another thread...
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I've also adjusted my definition of big. I used to want 8-10% body fat and 200lbs. But, I've since listened to the advice from a few friends (read women), who told me to chill out on that. Hey, none of those guys in 300 were any 200lbs! So, I'm good at 180-185...
Yeah, I've been though similar stages, although I don't define it by numbers; I guess I have a certain look in mind. I remember at first thinking "I just need to drop about 20-25 pounds or so." By the time I lost 40 I realized I still had a substantial amount of fat to lose...

It's sort of like one's definition of "fit" changes. Ask an ordinary person on the street and they have this idea of someone who runs 5 miles. As you grow fitter and read and understand more, your concepts of fitness evolves.
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Ooops. Suppose I should have stayed on-subject with goal tracking, not goal forming. Shoulda formed another thread...
That wasn't what I meant. It just looked that way. Sorry.

Any way the conversation goes is good for me.
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I have all my projects tracked in OmniFocus now. It's basically Getting Things Done codified into a program. It also basically rocks.

I have a plain text file for the longer-term stuff... I think I'm going to end up rolling that into OmniFocus so I do exactly what you said you need to, keep the goals in sight. I end up not really looking at that list as often as I might need to.

I've also started doing what I did back in '02 when I lost the most weight. (Every year since then has been basically a wash.) I'm writing down everything I eat. Not so much to track exact numbers, but that's what I used to do, and nothing else has really worked consistently.

Then I also dump my weight into a spreadsheet... hence how I know I haven't really been moving toward that "weigh less" goal.

Somewhat round about, and probably a bit late... I'd been meaning to write this post for a while now. In any case, there it is.
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Goal #1- start tracking goals. (how'd that for short term!)

I have been lifting, dieting, not dieting, only doing cardio, lifting heavy, etc for a while now. I only recently learned how to train properly. With in the last 4-5 months. Saw almost immediate results. Felt great but wanted more. Then I started falling off the band wagon, but not completely. Well I am on with my w/o's (although I am on a break week for NROL) but diet, not so much. Lost dog I just talked to you a bit about it so I don't want to make you re-read it. ANYWAY I am JUST realizing after this GREAT thread that the one thing I have never tried is to track my goals. I am going to start today. I think I may need to start with REAL short term goals. Meaning, todays goal, then tomorrows, then the end of the week. What do you think Lost Dog? How should I start this? Just in a word document write no starchy carbs for today 8/7/07. Then same for tomorrow plus intervals then saturday start my new W/O program (FL1) and diet?

I am pretty much just wanting to get rid of that stubborn leg fat and belly flab.

You are VERY inspiring.
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Old 08-09-2007, 02:16 PM   #11 (permalink)
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My goal is very similar to yours lost dog
Long term to stay lean and fit with a six pack and get bigger(only a little bit).Sounds a little bit contradicting.
Short term: do well in my race, a 30k.

Because I am 20 yrs old and 150 lbs and about 5% bodyfat.

Very good post to lost dog!!!

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I came across this, today, thought someone might be interested.

http://corriehaffly.wordpress.com/20...ker-downloads/
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:58 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I like this thread! Thanks!

I'm doing ok with the fittness right now - I'm on a program that's working for me personally, but I'm still struggling with keeping focus on some other goals in my life. This is inspiring and helpful.

I really like the corrie haffly organizer - there are a few things I'd like it to do differently, but the list of long term goals and short term goals is an idea I hadn't used before. Though I don't know if I'll use that download, I'm going to start on that way of tracking goals.
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I agree. Great idea. I get so caught up about my long term goals that I forget to just focus on the goal at hand. Like my long term goal is to lose 20 pounds, so until I do that, I don't feel like I've succeeded, but perhaps I should set a goal for each week so I can celebrate the milestomes on my way to negative 20. It's so simple I don't know why I didn't think of it. That's why I love this forum. It constantly gives me reasons to looks at what I'm doing, reevaluate, and make changes in needed. Thanks again.
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I just wanted t post again and say that I accomplished my short term goal for today, which was to work out for an hour and stick to my diet plan. I love this new way of looking at my goals. Thanks again!
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I'm glad it's helping!
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Thanks! I took your advice and started a chart to keep all of my goals organized. It's still in progress but I think this is really going to be helpful for me. Just seeing your goals written down on the page has a profound effect. It is also helping me figure out what my goals actually are. Breaking it down into specifics makes it seem so much more attainable. I didn't realize something so simple would have such a big effect. I recommend that everyone make a chart or at least somehow write your goals down.
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Great thread, and very timely for me!

I have problems with setting goals. I tend to hate "general" goals like "lose weight". It just seems so broad. I am more of a "lose X number of pounds by such and such date" kind of person.

The problem with that is that now that I am lifting weights that throws a monkey wrench into those numbers. Definitely in a good way but I don't know how to compensate. When losing weight was my only focus (I did weight watchers and lost 70lbs.) it was easy to say "I will strive for an average loss of 1.5 pounds per week until I reach goal." And I could then estimate when I would "reach goal" based on that.

Now I need to think in terms of measurements and clothing sizes because the scale is a poor representation of progress and I don't know what is a reasonable time scale. Is it reasonable to set a goal of losing 4% BF each month? Is 3% better? I just don't know what is possible because I have never measured it before.

How do you go about setting short and long term goals that are reasonable and obtainable when you don't know of what you or your body is capable? I truly have no concept of what I will look like in December. I have no idea what clothing size I will fit into. I have no idea what my ideal measurements would be when I "have reached goal".

Perhaps I am being to number oriented but it is how I work! LOL I love charts and graphs and number trends. I love watching the correlation between my BF%, measurements and scale weight. I am fascinated by how little weight I have lost yet still managed to lose 7 1/4 inches and 4.5% BF in a month and a half. However, I hesitate to base my goals on those numbers because I don't know if I can expect to continue that trend.

I would love to hear your thoughts on how one goes about setting long term goals when venturing into new territory.
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Hey eveyone, I'm still tracking my short term goals, so I wanted to post that I've already dropped 2 more pounds since my last post on this thread about a week ago. I've already exceeded my goal for this week. It's nice to celebrate the small achievments along the way!
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Great job!

I am still trying to determine my goals, short and long!

I would like to say that I would like to lose 5% BF by Mother's Day but I am not sure that is realistic. Of course I'm not sure if I am capable of more either! LOL
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I have problems with setting goals. I tend to hate "general" goals like "lose weight". It just seems so broad. I am more of a "lose X number of pounds by such and such date" kind of person.
I've never set time specific goals. If you don't meet them, how do you address that? Just curious. I sit down at the start of each month and set goals that I can control for the coming month. At the moment they're really just eating within plan and specific exercise levels. These are things I can control. I've never been able to control the speed at which I lose weight. It has been fairly consistent, but I still go through periods where I lose little, almost always followed by periods where I lose more. Overall it evens out, but if I said 'lose x number of pounds by this date' I suspect I'd be disappointed if I didn't meet it. And if I did meet it early I wonder if I'd slack off.

The long term goal is the hardest. Life-wise it's go back to college and finish the course. Last time I was in college it ended up being something I didn't want to do, so towards the end I lost interest. Weight-loss - to be a healthy body weight. It would be impossible to set a target for that unless sometime in 2010 counts as a target.
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I've never set time specific goals. If you don't meet them, how do you address that?
I guess I like the idea of a projected date. If I set December 1st as my date to reach as goal of 165lbs, that gives me a destination; something to set my sights on. Now that doesn't mean that I can't reevaluate that goal in September and adjust accordingly.

If I have a goal of reaching 20% body fat I like to have an idea of how long it will take me to achieve that goal. If I give myself 30 weeks and at 15 weeks I am not well on my way then I probably need to reevaluate my compliance or the methods I am using.

Maybe it is because I am very number oriented. I have a very Type A personality! LOL It gets me in trouble a lot! I tend to over analyse!

This time around I have decided to pick some numbers and reevalute them in 3 months. I really don't know what my goal weight should be but I don't want to be skinny and I want a decent amount of muscle. So I have chosen 165 by Dec 1st (There is a formal party that weekend so that is why I have chosen that date specifically) as a goal. As I get closer to that weight I will be better able to adjust it. (I am more interested in size than the scale!) I would also like to reach 20% body fat about the same time so that gives me 33 weeks to lose 21% body fat. That seems really high and a bit out of reach but I really don't know so I will reevaluate this goal in a few months as well.
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I really like this thread...I have been trying to implement goals setting in other areas of my life but have never really done so for the fitness portion.

LD what do you entry in outlook look like? Do you place them as tasks? Do you put them on your calendar. May 15 weigh 215 Lbs ?
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I really like this thread...I have been trying to implement goals setting in other areas of my life but have never really done so for the fitness portion.

LD what do you entry in outlook look like? Do you place them as tasks? Do you put them on your calendar. May 15 weigh 215 Lbs ?
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In Outlook, I do two things. I have repeat appt that recurs on the first Saturday of each month. It has an alarm set to remind me. All is says is "Monthly Fitness Check."

Then, I just use an Outlook Memo to log the info for the month. I look at the months goals and see how I did, make notes about how things went, record stats, etc. Then I take a minute to jot down the next months goals. I just make a new memo each year.

I use a blackberry, so memos are convenient, but if you're just using a PC/Mac, or have a PDA that has access to Excel or Word, then something fancier would be better for the log itself.
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I have my business realted goals and my tasks sync from my outlook to my PDA. I guess then it is just a matter of putting some health and fitness goals on there. Now to forumlate an attainable goal.
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Old 04-29-2008, 03:46 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Oh that is a cool Idea Roland. I will definitely have to add this to the mix.
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:41 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I suppose lately, most of my goals have been habit goals. Things like getting a gallon of water in a day, eating my 5 meals, getting 30 minutes of exercise, stuff like that. I also have a long term goal of reaching 150 pounds and re-assessing there and a shorter goal of getting under 200 pounds by the end of this year, at which point I'll probably take a bit of a break and maintain.

Anyway, I like the Joe's Goals site for working on the habit goals! It's free and easy. As I master goals, I might dump them and add others. Mostly though, mastering these habits has been an ongoing struggle, LOL!


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