LIVIN' LARGE: Minimizing yourself and maximizing your life!When you have over 100 pounds to lose it can seem impossible to get started in the right direction.
Bottom line. Set Goals, Develop a plan, Implement Plan, Evaluate, Get Results. Have fun in the process. Share as a community on a different level then we have been in awhile. Help your fellow forumite during the challenge.
Count me in!
As things stand right now my goals are:
To get my weight down to 180, according to my cheesy Walmart special bathroom scale I am 200 pounds as of this moment (I am including clothes)
To squat 120 pounds (my knees don't work so currently I am squatting 90 pounds)
Traveling lunges are a pain (literally), but I want to get at least one set of ten without the help of a ballerina bar equivalent.
10 wide grip pulls ups would be really nice!
And finally to bench press 120 pounds too.
Jim~
__________________
The things we want or value the most may not be found under a blanket of warmth and security, but out there, in the cold. ~MMMM~
Is it okay to use measurements/weight from yesterday as starting point???
I won't have time on Friday to do measurements again.
__________________ It all starts with the mind, but the thoughts, the intention aren't enough. Action needs to come next. Dream it, believe it, plan it, execute it, celebrate it. - Wendy
Mobility and stretching are my biggest issues. I warm up okay, but I don't work on my long term issues as often as I should. That will be a big one for me. I don't want my shoulder to haunt me, and I'd like to get my regular DL up close to my Sumo DL. Squatting even half of my DL would be nice...
That's one of the things I was thinking about.
Right now most of my exercise time is mobility training. Can we add that to the list of exercise options?
I'm really eager to participate in the challenge, but I have one problem: I'll be taking a two week road trip/vacation in July, staying with various friends and relatives. I can usually get away with passing on dessert, but I'll be a good guest and eat what they cook for me. I guess there will be quite a few half-day blocks missing.
Also, my online access will probably be sporadic then.
__________________ The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same. -- Carlos Castaneda
__________________ It all starts with the mind, but the thoughts, the intention aren't enough. Action needs to come next. Dream it, believe it, plan it, execute it, celebrate it. - Wendy
Are we trying to come up with a system that allowes us to compete against our goals, or one that allows us to compete against others?
Just for a clarification.
__________________ 2009: No races, No times. Slow year. So, now you're 96 cals short. You're now in starvation mode. Doomed. - LostDog
Blog entry: November 1, 2009, Pancakes LiveSTRONG daily plate log
Actually both... a dual-fold plan.. reason being many will do well competing with just themselves. A good many others and to an extent even those in the first category do well competing against others. In general, I would say that most people are competitive in nature..even to the extent that those who would say they are non-competitive are competetive in their attempt to be less competetive than someone else.
Newman
__________________
"Branch chainz, bro. Leucine in the sky with diamonds." - Alan Aragon
I don't personally find it all that confusing. The idea of the eating thing is more like "well, people eat anywhere from 3-7 meals a day. so split the day roughly in half, from and if you have a luxurious lunch, don't throw in the towel at dinner also. That way it doesn't matter how many meals you have... it's more of a "don't let one meal/snack ruin the rest of your day/week/life" kind of thing.
*shrug*
All in all I think it's ok. It's certainly not going to be 100% perfect spot on for everyone... we have people who are all over the map with regard to their fitness levels and goals. Some people can barely manage walking a mile, others can run marathons. There has to be some sort of compromise... I think this is a good in-between spot. There's still the ability for someone who's not in perfect shape to compete with the near-pros (and pros), but more importantly it sets ranges and catagories easier for people to compete with people of like ability.
I'm with Aoife (how do you say your name please????)
I didn't think the way the blocks were that confusing. I didn't put block counts on my goals because y'all haven't finalized anything.
__________________ It all starts with the mind, but the thoughts, the intention aren't enough. Action needs to come next. Dream it, believe it, plan it, execute it, celebrate it. - Wendy
lol, I feel like blocks could be likened to British Comedy...its either hit or miss.
I could certainly make it more complicated that is without doubt.
I am percolating on the idea of just taking minutes spent in dedicated physical activity and assign it a multiplier ; similar to what Sign suggested...
Something like...
Weights minutes x 1.25
Walking minutes x 1.10
Intervals minutes x 1.20
Swimming minutes x 1.15
etc, etc.....
__________________
"Branch chainz, bro. Leucine in the sky with diamonds." - Alan Aragon
I'm thinking more along the lines of simple compliance with your workout plan. You do your plan, you get your points for the day.
We've got different philosophies in play around here. Very low calories and you do fewer workouts (Get Shredded Diet paired with 10x3 For Fat Loss, for instance) vs. someone full bore on Precision Nutrition and really using G-Flux to their advantage (PN for food and 3 lifting, 2 HIIT, and 3 cardio workouts in the week, plus all the extra walking, etc. that they are encouraged to do).
Nutrition, too. 61 days times your percentage of compliance (over a week), in points.
Personal Goals would also include the "event." Harder to put into numbers, since this part is more subjective.
40/40/20% weighting, I think. After all, this is a fitness forum, so I'd like to slant toward fitness and nutrition sides.
I like LD's thoughts. Compliance to your goals makes sense.
1pt per day for training
1pt per day for eating to plan
1pt per day for saying something motivational to someone else
1pt per day for community events (racing, lifting, hike)
It's probably just me, but I don't like rewarding people for "time spent" doing something. It seems to reward not maximizing your results in the shortest time . That said it's your show, we'll comply to whatever you decide.
I'm thinking more along the lines of simple compliance with your workout plan. You do your plan, you get your points for the day.
We've got different philosophies in play around here. Very low calories and you do fewer workouts (Get Shredded Diet paired with 10x3 For Fat Loss, for instance) vs. someone full bore on Precision Nutrition and really using G-Flux to their advantage (PN for food and 3 lifting, 2 HIIT, and 3 cardio workouts in the week, plus all the extra walking, etc. that they are encouraged to do).
Nutrition, too. 61 days times your percentage of compliance (over a week), in points.
Personal Goals would also include the "event." Harder to put into numbers, since this part is more subjective.
40/40/20% weighting, I think. After all, this is a fitness forum, so I'd like to slant toward fitness and nutrition sides.
I like this as well... I'm trying to get comfortable doing LESS, so compliance to that is what I need to be accountable for. IMO, basing blocks on number of minutes encourages long, slow workouts, and that's not what most need. The multiplier thing seems like a great idea.
I like LD's thoughts. Compliance to your goals makes sense.
1pt per day for training
1pt per day for eating to plan
1pt per day for saying something motivational to someone else
1pt per day for community events (racing, lifting, hike)
It's probably just me, but I don't like rewarding people for "time spent" doing something. It seems to reward not maximizing your results in the shortest time . That said it's your show, we'll comply to whatever you decide.
Just a thought.
The original reason the day was split into two was to prevent people from taking the attitude that, oh I ate crap in the morning, I have lost my point so I may as well eat like crap the whole day. Having two points for a day was a simple way to divide the day up a bit without making it super complicated by having 6 points per day.
So that being said why don't we simply drop the timed aspect of the workouts and call them: Resistance, Cardio, Intervals. Assign them a goal #. Multiply that by some factor based on importance for points. That would allow some of us to compete against our own goals and also give us points that can be used against other people.
If we really want to encourage getting out and doing a race or an event over the summer it should be worth more than a single point.
And as much as I think we should say something motivational to others, I don't think it should be worth squat here.
The compliance LostDog proposes makes it simple to track points, but harder to aim for a goal that is 61 days away.
Og.
__________________ 2009: No races, No times. Slow year. So, now you're 96 cals short. You're now in starvation mode. Doomed. - LostDog
Blog entry: November 1, 2009, Pancakes LiveSTRONG daily plate log
All I ask for is that you peeps decide what the actual method of tracking will be soon, because otherwise hubby won't get around to figuring it all out, and I might just well go insane.
I think a point for compliance with each of your goals on any given day is prolly ok, what with a split for eating, but it too isn't without flaws. So, mainly ya just gotta pick which flawed system we use.
Basically, I don't think one can find a non-flawed way to compete with each other. Even just simple "I stayed with my plan better than everyone else did" isn't cut and dried... (If I decide I need to eat well 80% of the time and I meet that goal, I'm more compliant than the person who had a 99% eating goal but only got 98%.)
__________________ 2009: No races, No times. Slow year. So, now you're 96 cals short. You're now in starvation mode. Doomed. - LostDog
Blog entry: November 1, 2009, Pancakes LiveSTRONG daily plate log
I am more or less just tossing as many ideas as I can come up with out there. For every idea I have come up with so far, I have more or less predicted what the reply would be. LOL and the truth is, I agree. While this is "my baby" I want this to be OURS. And as much as I would like to have all of this finished, I don't mind spending the extra time to listen and make adjustments that will make this Challenge better. To that end, I do know that I can't please everyone and my aim is not to. I think there is something to be said for the initial reaction to something and the final impression/observation of having completed something and the disparity that exists between. So, we are making progress....
1. I truly do not with to alter the dividing of the day into two halves for nutrition. No matter what your plan, this works. All you have to do is stick with what your plan/compliance rules are. My idea is that you should be able to stick to whatever that plan is 90% or greater. Whether this gets 1/2 blocks (total of 1 block per day) or full blocks (total of 2 blocks per day), I don't care. It can be 61 or 122...
2. Event participation. I feel very strongly that this is important. I have mentioned elsewhere why, so I am not going to go into detail here. Suffice it to say that I would rather do many things than remove this from the Challenge. A minimum of 1 event is not difficult to achieve.
3. I could conceivably see a 30% Nutrition / 30% Fitness / 30% Personal Goal / 10% Event Participation sort of weight to the challenge.
Quote:
So that being said why don't we simply drop the timed aspect of the workouts and call them: Resistance, Cardio, Intervals. Assign them a goal #. Multiply that by some factor based on importance for points. That would allow some of us to compete against our own goals and also give us points that can be used against other people.
I like this idea. The time will be dropped from consideration satisfying nearly any type of plan. The multiplyer will provide weight to what you actually did to generate points for scoring. What do you guys think this should look like?
Aoife - I am very very sorry that I appear so disorganized. I give my word I will have everything finalized this evening even if I have to spend all day on it.
Newman
__________________
"Branch chainz, bro. Leucine in the sky with diamonds." - Alan Aragon
It's not a problem. I'm waaay more laid back than I (apparently) come across as. I'm just mentioning that it's a "can't please everyone" and "can't be totally 'fair/right' " situation. I doubt anyone minds there being discussion/debate/decision making about the various ways of doing this.
I agree with the two POINTS per day. That is important to keep ongoing and daily motivation. Maybe with that, the compliance percentage doesn't have to be factored in.
I still think it's important, since I feel that 90% compliance with your good nutrition plan is important. Not sure if it's critical to factor in, here.
And, for calorie counters, compliance by meal isn't always even thought of, since they typically adjust other meals to compensate for earlier larger/smaller meals.
I realize I'm not Og or LD, but I'll chime in. When we had the KC Take Charge Challenge, the exercise was goal-driven and any type of exercise was in 15 minute increments, with a weekly goal. So if one figured to exercise 30 minutes x five times per week, that was 10 exercise points per week. So one could do weight training for three days and cardio for the other two.
I realize resistance isn't more heavily weighted (no pun intended...) as in your rule draft, but it IS a lot simpler. This way, any sort of exercise is counted whether it's cardio, mobility, resistance, team sports, etc. It's up to the individual to find a healthy balance between all of them. For some folks, it will be just getting that movement in regularly.
__________________ The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same. -- Carlos Castaneda
Ok guys, in an attempt to clean things up for the Challenge, I have moved severeal messages that were in the Official Signup and Rules thread to here regarding discussions of rules, etc, etc. Lets continue to use this thread for Challenge Discussion... The other Official Thread for actual signups and posting of journal links.
Thanks.
Newman
__________________
"Branch chainz, bro. Leucine in the sky with diamonds." - Alan Aragon
.RULES v 3.00 for the 1st Annual JPF 61 Day Challenge.
Please read the entire message before replying...
1000 Points are possible in the contest. All participants who last 40 days and/or meet the minimums for each category will receive a T-Shirt.
Nutrition Goal - Adherence to a plan of good nutrition. Note: this should be both healthy and support your goals. When you write out your plan in your log, you should detail what your definition of this will be.
61 Days in 1/2 day increments = 122 points
A minimum of 80 blocks should be achieved.
For ranking within each category % of goal achieved will be used.
For Overall Winner, both % of Goal and Number of points earned will be considered. Determination will be made by a panel of 3 judges.
300 points are available in this category.
Fitness Goal - You decide number and type of workout per week. These can be Resistance training, Cardio/HIIT, Walking - Dedicated time for exercise and physical activity. Any type of exercise may be used and counted toward your progress. Each type of exercise is weighted for scoring purposes; however all you'll need to record is whether or not you completed a session and/or how many that day.
Resistance Training - [multiplier 2.5]
Intervals - [multiplier 2.5]
SS Cardio/Walking/Group Sports - [multiplier 2.0]
For ranking within each category % of goal achieved will be used.
For Overall Winner, both % of Goal and Number of points earned will be considered. Determination will be made by a panel of 3 judges.
300 Points are available for all Fitness activity.
Personal Goal - Choose your own adventure. Goals might include weight gain, weight loss, body fat %, spending more time with the family, reading a certain number of books, or anything you can imagine. If you want to gain weight, this may be a number of lbs. If you want to lose weight this may be a waist circumference. If you want to spend time with the family, maybe X number of hours per week or a certain night a week. Consistent effort for 61 days is required. No matter what it is. Achieve it!
For setting and reaching your goal, you will earn 300 points.
Personal Goals may be revised 1x during the course of the challenge but the revision must be approved.
Competitive Goal - Participate in a public event such as a weight lifting meet, strongman competition, walk/run/race, etc. during the 61 days of the Challenge. Many events cost minimally to participate.perhaps $10.00 donated to a worthy cause such as Race for the Cure, etc. If you are having trouble with this one, let me know and I will personally help supply entry fees or find you an event in your area that is free. Also, Competitive Goal Challenges are transferrable. This might sound strange; however in some circumstances achieving this may not be possible. If that is the case and someone else who is participating in the Challenge is willing, they may complete an additional (1) Event for you.
1 event is required.
You cannot earn double points. Points earned in the participation of this event may not also be counted toward SS Cardio, Intervals, or Resistance Training Sessions.
100 points are possible.
Awards determined by Private Message vote by participants for:
"Most Improved"
"The Mahler Award for Motivation"
Challenge Awards for:
Overall Winner - He/She with the most points / compliance wins.
Nutrition
Fitness
I already have some great prizes lined up from JP, Leigh P, John Izzo, Alan Aragon, Mike Roussell, Jonathan Fass. While these are not the focus of the Challenge, they are a nice extra at the end.
This thread will be locked on June 1 @ 2359 hrs Central Standard Time.
Before joining, create your Challenge Journal Thread and provide a link in your sign-up message. The links will be compiled and listed in a single thread for everyone to see together. If you already have a log in the Training Log subforum you may continue to use it just keep track of your Challenge plans, goals, progress there. Challenge participants should check in and post their progress at least 1x/week. Monday will be the Official Check In Day. The check=in window will be from Monday to Tuesday at 2359 Hrs Central Standard Time. You are allowed to break this rule 3 times. That being said if an emergency or extenuating circumstances arise, just let us know. More check-ins are better but we understand if you can only check in once per week.
Good Luck Everyone.
Newman
PS further revision of these rules will involve a spreadsheet to do all your calculations for you. You just need to post the results in your signature, log, or both. If you have any questions, please let me know.
A special thanks to all of those you have been helping me in and behind the scenes to get this off the ground. I would not be able to keep my sanity without you.
Newman
__________________
"Branch chainz, bro. Leucine in the sky with diamonds." - Alan Aragon
James - somehow I suspect that it may not be possible to have a properly weighted scoring system which is at the same time accurate and/or significant that is going to fit everyone.
. That said it's your show, we'll comply to whatever you decide.
Linear Mode
