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I'm working on several injuries right now (both shoulders and lower-back). Many people I respect have recommended ART, but it hasn't been effective for me in the past.
Generally speaking, do you feel that ART is suitable for the treatment of most inflammatory conditions? What should one look for in a practitioner?
I don't think its overated, but most of the time done incorrectly. Massaging the affected muscle actually makes pain worse, but massaging its trigger point makes it better. Check out these 2 websites below that I reference to whenever I need to massage myself after I lift weights or do something that reaggravated the muscle. The reason I don't think its overated is because if we never untie the knotts, then the knotts will get tighter and tighter. Imagine someone braiding your hair, you putting a bandaid on, you tying your shoe and doing it too tight. How would that feel? It would hurt and be painful. Same thing with massage. If you don't massage yourself, your knotts will get bigger and bigger and the muscles that the knotts are affecting will hurt more and more.
oh and I forgot to mention - ART will not work with someone with an injury like a sprain, strain, and pull. That is where rehab comes in and possibly doctors. Thats where art becomes unsuccessful.
what does everyone else think? most of the time its done incorrectly and I know that for sure. I went to a massage therapist once (free first massage when joining the spectrum club gym) and she was just massaging anything that was tight and it did not help me feel better at all like when I went to a chiropractor or self massage myself. actually, self massaging I feel is the same as seeing a chiropractor. I feel the same exact results. very weird (muscles loose and then reaggravates within a day or 2). This only applies to the shoulders by the way. cant keep these guys loose
ART is not overated. People think it is because its most of the time done incorrectly and they dont know how to massage themselves. I hope the mods can add these 2 links to the favorites on the website for everyone to check and do. very helpful for everybody that has no injury.
Maybe you are using the wrong ART guy/gal. They need to a chiro, physical therapist, etc. to be an ART practitioner. Find a new one.
Here's who can even take classes in ART.
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Some areas of certifications include chiropractors, medical and osteopathic doctors, physical and occupational therapists and assistants, physiotherapists, massage therapists, certified athletic trainers, and students studying towards any of these certifications with proof of enrollment.
what does everyone else think? most of the time its done incorrectly and I know that for sure. I went to a massage therapist once (free first massage when joining the spectrum club gym) and she was just massaging anything that was tight and it did not help me feel better at all like when I went to a chiropractor or self massage myself. actually, self massaging I feel is the same as seeing a chiropractor. I feel the same exact results. very weird (muscles loose and then reaggravates within a day or 2). This only applies to the shoulders by the way. cant keep these guys loose
A massage is not ART. The free massage at the Spectrum Club was a massage.
I've tried three ART providers (two chiropractors and one PT) for shoulder problems, but none were able to help me. Giving it one more go with someone highly-recommended next week. I'll post any results in this thread.
Thanks again.
-C10
PS - PowerManDL - what would you recommend looking for in a potential ART provider? How many sessions did it take for you to experience some relief?
Maybe you're expecting ART to more than it is. It's not going to fix a tear or inflammation. It's going to release trapped nerves, help with overuse and adhesions, relax something that's bound up, short, tight, etc. it's not the be all, end all of rehab.
It helped my CTS, Matt's shoulders, etc. But, when I had an impingement, it took physical therapy and months of actually doing the exercises before I got relief.
A massage is not ART. The free massage at the Spectrum Club was a massage.
Oh. is the 2 links I posted for self massage ART? I know it has to do with massage, not unsure of the type of massage. The massage at the spectrum club is just to feel good, not to release any knotts or anything? If I wanted a true massage, what would be the best place to go? I defiantly need one on my shoulders. I can do only so much from these 2 websites for the shoulders, but a good massage therapist or maybe called art therapists or whatever will be able to truly release it for good right? Is that why the tightness been coming back because I was self massaging my shoulders and also sometimes seeing my chiropractor? Whenever I use my shoulders, that is when the tightness comes back. I want the knotts gone. Can it also be because not enough stretching?
What is ART exactly and who exactly performs ART? all I can find at google are machine stuff and how can you get better from a machine or maybe I found the wrong information? I thought ART was a type of massage therapy.
Oh. is the 2 links I posted for self massage ART? I know it has to do with massage, not unsure of the type of massage. The massage at the spectrum club is just to feel good, not to release any knotts or anything? If I wanted a true massage, what would be the best place to go? I defiantly need one on my shoulders. I can do only so much from these 2 websites for the shoulders, but a good massage therapist or maybe called art therapists or whatever will be able to truly release it for good right? Is that why the tightness been coming back because I was self massaging my shoulders and also sometimes seeing my chiropractor? Whenever I use my shoulders, that is when the tightness comes back. I want the knotts gone. Can it also be because not enough stretching?
What is ART exactly and who exactly performs ART? all I can find at google are machine stuff and how can you get better from a machine or maybe I found the wrong information? I thought ART was a type of massage therapy.
I'm definitely not an expert, but ART stands for Active Release Technique. I haven't actually experienced ART, but from what I've read ART is stretches that promote myofascial release via contracting and stretching muscles.
C10 - if the ART isn't working for you, you may want to consider going to a rolfer. I've had some great results recovering from injuries and some other chronic issues via seeing a Certified Advanced Rolfer who is also a PT. You can find one by searching either the Rolf Institute or the Guild for Structural Integration (pretty much same thing, just different schools).
I hope you appointment with the highly recommended ART person helps though. My chiro is supposedly ART-trained but he just sucks at it and I never found it helpful at all. I'm not saying ART isn't useful, but it really depends on the practitioner.
It's a kind of deep-tissue work that involves digging a finger into the muscle and then moving it through a range of motion.
oh okay. Does digging the theracane into a muscle I cannot reach or put enough pressure on with my fingers and moving the muscle through a range of motion count? I do that with my scalenes muscle (turning my neck side to side) and it is loose afterwards, but comes back either a few minutes later or an hour later if I am lucky.
Where can I find an ART person? I really need one on my shoulders badly. the more I lift, the tighter I feel they are getting. I dont know why. i am keeping my shoulders down and back like they are supposed to but the upper trapz (muscles above the shoulder blades) want to work and I can't figure out how to turn that muscle off.
Where can I find an ART person? I really need one on my shoulders badly. the more I lift, the tighter I feel they are getting. I dont know why. i am keeping my shoulders down and back like they are supposed to but the upper trapz (muscles above the shoulder blades) want to work and I can't figure out how to turn that muscle off.
Did you go to the link, Mon? Just click on "Find a Provider".
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I can't say much except that ART basically saved both my shoulders.
Same here, with my throwing shoulder (baseball). I got lucky with ART and ended up with the guy who works on all the pro teams (Astros, Texans, Rockets in Houston). So for amateur athletes they can always check out the team's websites for reference info.
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. I got lucky with ART and ended up with the guy who works on all the pro teams (Astros, Texans, Rockets in Houston).
If he worked on David Carr then I would advise you to find someone else.
FWIW, there are a lot more providers out there then are listed on the link. They really aren't hard to find if you make the effort. The Physiotherapy clinic that Cappy and I go to has a whole bunch of people who do ART. I also have friends at my gym who are DCs who do ART. It's pretty common for people in manual theray professions (physio, Chiro, athletic therapist) to attend the ART seminars.
I wish so bad that I could find a good ART guy here in LR. I need someone to get my knotts and my griffiths out. My shoulders are a wreck. I think my first or second rib is tweaked a little at the facet joint too.
Did you go to the link, Mon? Just click on "Find a Provider".
Same here, with my throwing shoulder (baseball). I got lucky with ART and ended up with the guy who works on all the pro teams (Astros, Texans, Rockets in Houston). So for amateur athletes they can always check out the team's websites for reference info.
thank you! yes I did go to the link, but didnt see "find provider". thank you!
is this guy good? I am reading by the certifications. Seems like he knows everything and that is what I would want. Someone who does the whole body and knows everything instead of just the upper or the lower and just massage. There is nothing about a price on his website though. Thats what I would like to know. This one is 2 miles from my house and all the other ones are farther away like 15-20 minutes or more.
LA Sports Performance Care (L.A. Sports Chiropractic): Dr. Steven Gautreau, DC Certifications:
Upper Extremity, Lower Extremity, Spine, Biomechanics, Masters Course, ART Ironman Provider
umm charlie, I want someone like JP or lost dog or powermandl to answer. I trust them and there is no garentee I will be loose than ever before and it might not all happen right away. I want to make sure this guy is good and that I can trust him. I hope he can do PNF stretching as well on me for the tight muscles. I cant just get ART and not stretch after or I will still be tight. I just want to make sure nothing can reaggravate because it would be a waste of money and time if it did.
With all the do respect Moon I dont think they live in Cali and know this dude to know if hes good at the ART. I dont live in Cali either so I dont know either but hes on the list so its not like you have much of a choice. But you can also choose massaging yourself still and thats wicked cool but might not work so good in the long run at the end of the day.
ART is one of the few things that actually works when I damage my RC to get it loose and strong enough to lift again. The chiro I go to uses it and some other methods and I can't preach enough about it. Twice I thought I had bursitis in my shoulder after a highland games competition and both times she was able to clear it up without any type of cortisone shot or other work. It also only took 2-3 trips each time to get it mobile again as well.
my chiro is certified in ART and so is his son who is studying to be a chiro, and they both do the treatment well but the son, since he is stronger, is able to get deeper in the muscle and while it hurts more while he is doing it i feel ii get more relief from the treatments, my left shoulder in general is a total mess from an injury when was little and i have found that ART helps alot, my shoulder is getting better but i am also doing lots of exercises to get everything back to where it is supposed to be
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