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Old 10-03-2008, 03:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm hoping to get some advice about an old shoulder injury. It's a heck of a lot better than it was, but sometimes I get very frustrated.

I consulted a physiotherapist after the injury who said it was "neural strain with adaptive typing of the shoulder girdle muscles". The treatment was to back off lifting for a few weeks, specific stretching and patience. The injury was definitely caused by overtraining - since then I have changed my routine and do a thorough warm-up using some of the exercises from the "Inside Out" DVD, including some foam rolling, before lifting.

Since I took up boxing a few weeks ago, I have started strength/cardio circuit training twice a week on non-boxing days. I now box three days a week. I figured my shoulders get enough punishment from hitting the heavy bag, so I stopped doing shoulder presses (the physiotherapist said shoulder presses were a bit iffy). The only upper body strength exercises I do at the moment are flat bench presses, lateral pulldowns and cable crossovers. My boxing classes include a lot of pushups and sometimes dips.

1. When did the pain begin?
18 months ago.
2. What were you doing at the time? Or did the pain come on gradually over time?
Upper body strength training
3. Where, anatomically, is the pain?
Usually at the very bottom of my right shoulder blade, although it moves around to my traps and sometimes the top of my shoulder and upper arm.
4. What does the pain feel like? Sharp? Dull? Aching? Stabbing? Shooting?
A sharp twinge at the bottom of my right shoulder blade, followed by a dull ache throughout my upper back, right trap, top of shoulder and upper arm.
5. Is the pain constant, or intermittent, or only on certain motions?
Intermittent
6. What motions make your pain worse?
Decline bench presses. (I've stopped doing those). Sometimes on the first set of flat benches I'll get a painful twinge at the very bottom of my right shoulder blade, and a limited range of motion throughout my right shoulder and arm. I'll really struggle on the first set, but the second set will be fine and I'll feel really strong.
7. What, if anything, makes your pain better?
Foam rolling, Chi Gong (sometimes produces loud cracking noises from my shoulder and spine), massage.
8. Does your pain radiate to any other part of your body?
Top of shoulders, traps, upper arms
9. What things could you do before, that you cannot do now because of your injury?
Decline bench presses. (Too scared to try incline bench presses since the injury.)
10. What is your main concern regarding the pain and its consequences?
That it's affecting my boxing, and that I'll lose strength.
11. Have you ever injured that part of your body before? If so, how?
Several years ago I had shoulder impingement from benching, but the pain only lasted for a week.
12. Is your pain getting worse over time? And if so, how much worse over what time period?
No. The pain is now very minor compared to what it was when I originally injured myself, but still occurs often enough to be upsetting and frustrating.

Any advice would be appreciated. Maybe I should stop benching, but with the limited time I now have for strength training, I'm scared of losing strength.
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Old 10-04-2008, 03:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmm.... 40 views and no advice?

I've been digging around a bit on the forum and think that my problem may be partially due to slightly limited shoulder mobility in my injured (right) shoulder.

Perhaps I should lay off benching for a while?

What do you guys think?
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I am having the same problems. I have not found anything that really helped yet. I have rested, done light weight, no benches, etc. All still hurts. So it maybe time to head to the Dr's soon.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I am having the same problems. I have not found anything that really helped yet. I have rested, done light weight, no benches, etc. All still hurts. So it maybe time to head to the Dr's soon.
That sucks. I feel your pain (literally).
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Sorry, busy work day today (I work weekends) ... the fact that you have had impingement in that shoulder says it all. I would bet that the firing pattern is all screwed up and my advice is this ...

1. Keep foam rolling/lax ball rolling all the periscapular muscles.
2. Lay off bench pressing. If you are looking to get strong, work pushup variations ... they are much better for shoulder health.
3. Check your gluteal function.
4. Deadlift. (using proper form)
5. Avoid dips.
6. Work your pulling 3:1 over pushing.
7. Ice after boxing ... and foam roll too.
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Old 10-05-2008, 02:39 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks for the reply Julie!

This probably sounds silly, but "firing pattern all screwed up" sounds right. It's almost as though I can feel my shoulder and back muscles fighting against each other when I'm benching.

1. Keep foam rolling/lax ball rolling all the periscapular muscles.
Will do!
2. Lay off bench pressing. If you are looking to get strong, work pushup variations ... they are much better for shoulder health.
Will do!
3. Check your gluteal function.
Funny that you should mention that. I've long suspected my butt of slacking off. I saved an article about how to fix it - have to dig that out.
4. Deadlift. (using proper form)
Already do. I love deadlifting!
5. Avoid dips.
I've been avoiding them since I heard they were bad for shoulders, but sometimes in boxing class, we are asked to do tricep dips off the podium as part of a circuit. Maybe I should substitute another exercise.
6. Work your pulling 3:1 over pushing.
Will do!
7. Ice after boxing ... and foam roll too.
Will do! It will make me a bit late for work, but I'll just blame the traffic.

Thanks again!
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Old 10-07-2008, 08:22 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The best advice is for you to find a local health care provider such as an ART chiro. Asking people on a forum to advise you on a painful injury is asking for trouble. If you are having pain then something is wrong and you need to seek aid for it. Even the best of health care professionals will not be able to help you efficiently over the internet. The internet is a difficult place to communicate and signals could very easily get crossed.

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