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Old 07-30-2008, 11:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ive been pretty lucky with injuries, but im having a hard time figuring this one out. Its quite uncomfortable. If anyone has any ideas/advice it would be much appreciated.


1. When did the pain begin?

Around 2-3 months ago. It has progressively gotten worse.

2. What were you doing at the time? Or did the pain come on gradually over time?

Squatting heavy 4x per week.

3. Where, anatomically, is the pain?

It seems to be in the inner most region of my glute/hamstring tie in. The pain almost feels as if its coming from my testicle closer to that side () but he is fine.

I cannot quite pinpoint the pain.

4. What does the pain feel like? Sharp? Dull? Aching? Stabbing? Shooting?

Very dull and constant pain through whole area.

5. Is the pain constant, or intermittent, or only on certain motions?

constant. Gets worse throughout the day.

6. What motions make your pain worse?

None make it worse. I squatted 755lbs last week pain free (just the dull ache.).

7. What, if anything, makes your pain better?

nothing ive found.

8. Does your pain radiate to any other part of your body?

Like I said, sometimes i feel it in my left testicle it seems or even on my inner ass cheek ( again).

9. What things could you do before, that you cannot do now because of your injury?

Sit for long periods of time, it seems to get worse when sitting.

10. What is your main concern regarding the pain and its consequences?

dont want to tear anything.

11. Have you ever injured that part of your body before? If so, how?

no.

12. Is your pain getting worse over time? And if so, how much worse over what time period?

when i first did it, it went away after a week or so, ever since then its been fine for a while, then comes back, each time a little worse.
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Are you doing any flexibility stuff and/or any foam rolling/lax ball work?
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Old 07-30-2008, 11:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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For the last couple of weeks ive been stretching and rolling (tennis ball) the area.
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What stretches?
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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i found these:

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pretty basic ones i think
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:38 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Those aren't bad ... I have a feeling that this might target it better Yoga Posture - Kapotasana - The Pigeon pose yoga tutorial

Don't mind the website ... it's a bit weird. But the best way to get into the position is:
1. Start on all fours.
2. Lift up so that your knees are off the ground and you are resting on your hands and toes.
3. Bring one leg up, with the foot near the opposite hand and the knee near the same side hand.
4. Slowly lower your hips toward the ground, using your hands to keep your body upright. And I would have my hands more in front than the picture shows.



I would also foam roll that area. Mike Boyle had a thing on his old website about the best way to roll that area is by sitting on top of a plinth (athletic training table) ... I don't have one so I use my coffee table. You can get really deep in that area. If you can really pinpoint the sore spot (probably a deep short rotator or part of your pelvic floor) then a lacrosse ball might work better since it is harder.

Also, after you lift, have you been icing it? I know it's not a great area to want to put ice, but it might help.
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Julie, if we suppose that the problem is in his medial thigh muscles, would you blame medial hamstrings or adductor? Or would you think rotators first?
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Another quick thought: the glute min posterior has a very strange pain-pattern that runs down into the groin and hamstring. It's a dull ache like you described. Perhaps try rolling a baseball/lax ball into the glute min, just to the rear and under the hip bone. Certainly can't hurt to try. If it is the glute min, then when you roll the spot, at some point it will mimic the pain, but sharper. Then you know you've got it.
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thank you all for the help!!

I will continue stretching the area/foam rolling and hopefully it helps. I think i may have found the cause of this problem- it may not be lifting related. I may make a thread about it in the offtopic later.
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Good point Ian! Some of the trigger points are so crazy in their referral pattern ...

Frank, now you've got me curious!!

ts. I have no idea ... based upon how deep he describes it and how close to his testicles, I would tend to think pelvic floor (of which the deep rotators are part), but there are so many muscles in such a small area, it's hard to say.
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Update / need some more advice.

The past month or so, the pain has gotten worse in this area. It seems to be radiating down to my hamstring / knee now.

I got my girlfriend to really work on my glute min, and after the pain seemed to go away for around 10minutes. Then it came back the same pain level as prior.

On a scale of 1-10 its around a 2 or 3 pain level, but is very consistent. Is there anything I should try? I have been following the stretching in this thread, but it doesn't seem to help me all that much.

I havn't changed my training at all, 2 weeks ago I had 900lbs on my back in a reverse band squat with 0 pain during the lift. As well as deadlifts well over 600lbs. This makes me think its not some sort of disc problem.. But I really have no clue?
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Just throwing this out there with no reason to suspect it's true, but what about a hernia?
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Yea ... could be. Have you had that checked Frank?
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nope, havnt gotten anything checked, who would i goto to get this checked?

do you think something like a herniated disc is possible? would this not give pain to heavy squats/deads?
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should mention that the problem did go away for a period of time at one point, now its back
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Could be a disk, but I'd think it would hurt during/immediately after deads etc.
Sounds more referred or muscular to me ... but I could be wrong.

A GP could check for hernia ... you know, "turn your head and cough".

When it went away, to what do you attribute that?
What brought it back?
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Im not sure what I changed to make the pain go away, I never stopped training heavy or anything. Then slowly i started to feel it when i went to bed at night again (this is when its worse ive noticed). Now its bad as its ever been.

I hope its muscular, but ill check with a GP as well. may as well get some bloodwork anyway.
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This is gonna be the best "gas bubble" story in history.
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??? i honestly have no clue what you are talking about
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Maybe I'm the only one who's had a gas bubble refer pain down his sciatic nerve, but it's not a fun thing
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Frank I am sorry to hear of your pain. I had to work through severe lower back and hip pain for many years and it made my life miserable.

Just so you know I am a Personal Trainer. I specialize in joint pain and muscle imbalances. I work with people who have these challenges everyday.

I definitely believe in foam rolling, pressure points and stretching, to improve muscle imbalance, but the bottom line is that you are going to have to strengthen the opposing muscles to fix the problem, assuming it's muscular.

You are pushing around a lot of weight so your muscle imbalances will really be exploited. Since none of us are with you to check your form it is very very difficult pinpoint the imbalances.

The best advice I could give you is definitely go to the GP as suggested before and look for a trainer who specializes in joint pain and muscle imbalances.

I hope you feel better soon.
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thanks for everyones help.

Update, i booked an appointment to a GP thats next week (he was all booked up)- but the funniest thing happend.

I woke up about 3 days ago, ZERO pain, nowhere, like it never happend. I have no idea whats going on, im very happy with this.. but what the hell.. any insights?
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Nope. Still get checked out for a hernia. With all the big weights you lift, you want to clear that for sure.
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no hernia. Pain did come back though.

I am about 95% sure i solved the issue. What it took was some very very painful rolling on and around my glutes. A standard foam roller was useless, a tennis ball didn't work either, A computer mouse couldn't get deep enough so i went outside and found a rock that would get deep enough and i could apply enough force to the area.

Hurts like hell when i work the area, but the rock mimicks the pain exactly and i think ive fixed it. A foam roller would be useless on this area.
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that would work too I think, but a rock is free
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