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Old 11-03-2008, 08:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a dilemma. When working in the states as a trainer and receiving clients from physical therapy or from the athletic trainer, I was always given very explicit instructions for what the client should focus on and what they should avoid. They had also pretty much always already received home exercises in the earlier phases of their rehab.

Now I live in Spain and run a personal training studio in a little town of 16,000 people. At least in my town (perhaps Barcelona and other places with more "wordly" influence things are better), the physical therapists are pretty much just masseuse. They do not precribe any exercises.

So my problem is that I get clients post ACL surgery or with disk herniations, etc. that have not done a proper (at least in my opinion) recovery and are not ready for a personal trainer. I have connected with local sports medicine doctors to give me some guidance but most of the time I am left on my own. Most people are just told to walk and swim.

The clients come to me because they are released from therapy but given no further instructions (besides the swimming) and instinctually they know they are missing a step in the recovery.

This problem will not go away and I see an opportunity to fill this gap. Currently I turn away clients when I feel that I would be breaching my duty and take on the ones I feel comfortable with.

So I have three questions:
-What further education can you suggest for me?
-Online I found a course called "Medical Exercise Specialist". Do any of you have experience with it? The website is Welcome to PostRehab Online.
-Do you know any physical therapists who would like to come and work here with me? UConnJulie, you want to do a few month stint here in sunny Catalunya?

Thanks for your advice. I appreciate any insight you might have.

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A book about "therapeutic exercise" could be useful (hopefully this link will work):

Amazon.com: Physical Therapy - Allied Health Professions / Medicine / therapeutic exercise / Amazon.com: Books

The book by Kisner and Colby (the first one on the list) would be a good choice; it is a classic reference for physical therapists. Here you can find more information about this book, including a sample chapter and a video collection:

Therapeutic Exercise: Foundations and Techniques
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With all the free info around on the internet, and quality books, you might just want to start taking post-rehab clients and make that your niche - you seem interested enough in it, so your knowledge will come with experience -
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I think you may want to look into Grey Cook's Secret series.

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What HE said! Gray Cook will definitely help you set yourself apart!
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Thanks for the suggestions.

I already use Cook's functional movement screen. His stuff is definitely great. I'll check to see what other products of his I can use to improve my game.

And I'll take a look at the Therapeutic Exercise book.

Anyone know about the medical exercise specialist course? Ever heard of it?

Tomorrow i meet with a local physical therapist to get a better understanding of their work here. And I convinced a traumatologist to let me observe him.

Any other tips?

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Can I come to Spain and work with you? I'm a decent trainer who wants to improve his flamenco guitar playing!
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Hola,
I have a dilemma. When working in the states as a trainer and receiving clients from physical therapy or from the athletic trainer, I was always given very explicit instructions for what the client should focus on and what they should avoid. They had also pretty much always already received home exercises in the earlier phases of their rehab.

Now I live in Spain and run a personal training studio in a little town of 16,000 people. At least in my town (perhaps Barcelona and other places with more "wordly" influence things are better), the physical therapists are pretty much just masseuse. They do not precribe any exercises.

So my problem is that I get clients post ACL surgery or with disk herniations, etc. that have not done a proper (at least in my opinion) recovery and are not ready for a personal trainer. I have connected with local sports medicine doctors to give me some guidance but most of the time I am left on my own. Most people are just told to walk and swim.

The clients come to me because they are released from therapy but given no further instructions (besides the swimming) and instinctually they know they are missing a step in the recovery.

This problem will not go away and I see an opportunity to fill this gap. Currently I turn away clients when I feel that I would be breaching my duty and take on the ones I feel comfortable with.

So I have three questions:
-What further education can you suggest for me?
-Online I found a course called "Medical Exercise Specialist". Do any of you have experience with it? The website is Welcome to PostRehab Online.
-Do you know any physical therapists who would like to come and work here with me? UConnJulie, you want to do a few month stint here in sunny Catalunya?

Thanks for your advice. I appreciate any insight you might have.

Salut,
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Kaisa,
I just saw this ... sorry!! As much as I would LOVE a several month stint in sunny Catalunya ... I could never leave my family for any length of time!!

Rehab is not difficult ... educate yourself about the surgery (ies) and then the deficits that the surgery creates. And then address those deficits. If you have taken Gray's FMS course, you already know how to do that! Follow his movement screen and the exercises to address it. But knowing info about the surgery is crucial. Ask the doctors for any post-op rehab protocols they may have.

Some basic things ...

ACL: if not immediate post-op, but rather 3+ months out, generally focus on ... posterior chain strengthening (hamstring and calf/gastroc esp), unilateral balance, quad and gluteal and hamstring flexibility ... etc.

Total Hip: ask surgeon about hip precautions. Some lift them and some do not. In general, they are ... 1. No crossing midline of the body (adduction); 2. No flexion past 90 degrees (no knee to chest or bending over while seated); and 3. No internal rotation (pivoting on it or positionally). For treatment needs lots and lots of gluteal strengthening/activation.

Non-surgical Disk Herniation: find out what reduced their symptoms. If it was extension exercises (get and read Robin McKenzie's book Treat Your Own Back) focus on things like stretching hamstrings, strengthening the core in NEUTRAL, etc. For many of these folks, if their initial injury was not traumatic, but rather a gradual progressive onset, then it is postural. So work on things to fix their specific postural dysfunction (ie flat lower back, no butt, etc).

I have Gray's Secrets of Primitive Patterns DVD but haven't finished watching it yet (just replaced my broken DVD player) and it is excellent. I am sure his other "Secrets" series DVDs are excellent as well.

I have not heard of the course you posted ... but it looks legit. Perhaps you could contact some of the people who provided testimonials (google them)? Who is your training certification through? Maybe they offer something similar?

I am happy to help you any way I can ... just PM me!! Otherwise, dive right in!!
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Thanks everyone for taking the time to help me!

JP, You are totally welcome! Anytime. I'm sure I could learn a ton from you as well. Perhaps we can organize your summit here one year.

Julie, You are welcome to bring your family with you. Thanks for all the information. I haven't done Grey Cooks courses, just watched his stuff on DVDs/books, so perhaps I'll see about visiting the states for a course in the future.

My certs are NASM CPT and CES and this year I finished the MAT jump start here in Barcelona. Now I'm looking at doing Dax Moy's Kinetic Chain Assessment course in England. I think my education is enough to start with but I just feel a bit uncomfortable and not confident working without a good mentor. Does that make sense? Before I always had someone to check with for doubts.

Julie, I would love some more help with certain cases through PMs. You sure you have the time for these consults? Seems like a very one sided deal. What could I do for you?

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Honestly, I am just happy to help ... Sometimes I don't feel very useful in my life as a SAHM ...
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Hi Kaisa,

Not sure if you are still actively looking at this, but if you are looking into doing some training here in the UK let me know. I am not a training provider but have links with a few who may be able to help you.

If you would like any help or advice on different UK based courses drop me a PM.

But as has been said above, I hink you do not always need a course to learn more. I have done some of my best learning when i am faced with a problem and i do not kwon where to start. I have just searched on teh internet and read up on teh subject! Load of great stuff on amazon and the net.

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