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Old 01-03-2008, 07:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am seriously considering becoming a personal trainer and am leaning toward getting NASM certified, plus taking a few fitness instruction classes at UCLA.

I browsed through old posts but have a few questions - feel free to answer as many as you can!

Did anyone attend the NASM workshop? What was it like and was it helpful?

Is it possible to start working with a gym part-time - evenings and weekends once I get my certification? Has anyone done this?

How much hard selling is involved? I don't mind a certain amount of selling - I think a sales aspect is involved in most jobs and I really enjoyed working retail in college (I was consistently the highest seller) - but I don't want to be making cold calls or be a HARD seller like that car salesman stereotype everyone hates. I wouldn't have anything against building relationships with people at the gym - going up to random people, talking with them, showing them moves and determining interest in training.

Are most PT jobs 100% commission? What percentage do you typically get?

I know this varies a lot, but can anyone give me a general idea of how much trainers make?

Any other resources where I can get information about what being a personal trainer is like? Other message boards for trainers?

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Old 01-03-2008, 09:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Did anyone attend the NASM workshop? What was it like and was it helpful?
I have been to the OPT workshop. Especially if you haven't had any formal training (school etc...) they can be really helpful. Seeing things in person is definatly different than reading them. It is also very helpful in helping you past the certification test for the CPT exam. It will outline the whole OPT model.

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Is it possible to start working with a gym part-time - evenings and weekends once I get my certification? Has anyone done this?
The majority of our trainers are part time right now (YMCA). It will depend on the gym. My former gym (lifetime fitness) hated part time staff and rarely hired them. I think most are okay with it.

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How much hard selling is involved? I don't mind a certain amount of selling - I think a sales aspect is involved in most jobs and I really enjoyed working retail in college (I was consistently the highest seller) - but I don't want to be making cold calls or be a HARD seller like that car salesman stereotype everyone hates. I wouldn't have anything against building relationships with people at the gym - going up to random people, talking with them, showing them moves and determining interest in training.
I would again say it depends on the gym chain. I have heard horror stories of Bally's trainers being forced to hard sell pretty bad but in the 3 gym chains I have worked for have never experienced it. Its like you said, talking to members, building relationships, and finding who is interested in your services and showing them what you can do for them.

I do spend some time on the phone, but its by choice and it isn't really cold calling. We call inactive members to get them in back in the gym for assesments etc...

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Are most PT jobs 100% commission? What percentage do you typically get?
Sorry to be repetative but it depends on the gym. Most are base + commission with a low hourly rate for floor hours (usually hours you are working with a member, orientations, assessments etc...) Currently I don't work on a commission scale but do get paid differently depending on if I am with clients or not.
The percentage is usually based on how much work you have to do vs. how much the gym does to help you. At the small places like Anytime Fitness you usually get a pretty high percentage but you do everything, marketing etc... A Lifetime Fitness is between 49-58% of the sale.

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I know this varies a lot, but can anyone give me a general idea of how much trainers make?
I know trainers who have made over 75 grand a year and I know a couple who were barely at 20 grand. All of this was in the same gym. It just comes down to how hard you are willing to work, how good you are at building relationships, and how thick your skin is.

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Any other resources where I can get information about what being a personal trainer is like? Other message boards for trainers?
Not sure of other message boards, but search for posts here by John Izzo, they will be really helpful. He also has an e-book called Secret Skills of Personal Trainers (sorry I can't remember the link offhand) that is awesome. Its all about getting started in the industry.
For other authors, Alwyn Cosgrove, Jim Labadie, Dax Moy, and Pat Rigsby all have fantasic fitness business products and websites will a lot of helpful info.

Keep posting here with any more questions you have though, we have quite a few trainers who read and post actively.

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Old 01-03-2008, 10:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thank you, Danny! This information is VERY helpful.

I'm going to call gyms in my area to figure out certification (leaning toward NASM but also considering NSCA). What's the difference between NSCA-CPT and CSCS? I've looked through old posts but am still a bit unsure.

I do have a question about benefits, insurance, etc. Do these come with full-time PT jobs or does it depend on the gym?
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CPT is more focused on personal training and doesn't require a 4 year degree. The CSCS is geared more towards sports performance (though many gym trainers do have it, as it's considered to be the gold standard) and requires a bachelors to sit for the exam.
I have a degree so just went for the CSCS. Either is fine for a normal PT job, but if you want to move elsewhere in the industry a CSCS would help.

Most gyms offer benefits to full-timers, but usually after a few months -but of course it depends on the gym.

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Old 01-09-2008, 01:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I would suggest these links from the NASM site itself for more information on them specifically:

Fitness Instructor Certification
Professional Fitness Trainers
Optimum Performance Training
Physical Fitness Certification
Personal Training Continuing Education

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Old 01-10-2008, 08:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Well said, DKing.

NASM is great if you've never had any formal education in exercise before. I especially like their assessments, however I'm not too fond of their program design, but it's a good place to start if you're just beginning your career. It's also a cert that every gym recognizes and will help you get that foot in the door.

Like Kuri said, the CSCS will help if you want to train sports performance or athletic teams, but the NASM CPT cert will do just fine for a regular gym. Again, certs will get you in the door, but it's the continuing education that's gonna be the difference between being great or just an average trainer. Keep reading articles, books, attend seminars, learn from the best, etc., to keep improving.

If this is your passion, as Alwyn Cosgrove says (as many others), do what you love and the money will follow! This can be a great career if you have the passion. Good Luck!

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