JP Fitness Forums - Personal Training  
Google
 
Web forums.jpfitness.com

Go Back   JP Fitness Forums - Personal Training > For Fitness Pros only > Fitness as a Business
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Fitness as a Business Thinking of becoming a trainer or opening a gym? In this subforum we will discuss all areas of the fitness biz.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-25-2007, 01:22 PM   #31 (permalink)
Chaney Weiner
Fitness Professional
 
Chaney Weiner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: I forgot
Posts: 326
Default

Dax is a cool guy. He is one of the few trainers/fitness pros out there who incorporates the mental aspect into the training and nutrition and in fact sees it as being an even more important aspect to the success equation.

Dax is part of our teleseminar series that is being launched in early January called the Ultimate Fat Burning, Motivational, and Life Changing Formula.

Chaney
__________________
Wishing You the Very Best
Chaney Weiner, CSCS


Beginning January 14, 2008... The Ultimate Fat Burning, Motivational, and Life Changing Formula Teleseminar Series.
www.UltimateFatBurningFormula.com

The World's Premiere Fat Loss Community Exclusively for Women!.
www.fatlossforwomen.com
Chaney Weiner is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2007, 01:27 PM   #32 (permalink)
Jean-Paul
I think, therefore I post
 
Jean-Paul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 15,062
Default

A friend of mine recently met him (at Craig's seminar in FL) and said that he was a very compelling individual. I have never heard of him prior to this thread, but I would like to meet him some day. I may go check out some of his products and see what kind of stuff he produces. Any suggestions based on what you know about his product line, Chaney?
__________________
Jean-Paul Francoeur
www.jpfitness.com

http://forums.jpfitness.com
"Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-Mark Twain

Jean-Paul is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 12-25-2007, 01:32 PM   #33 (permalink)
Chaney Weiner
Fitness Professional
 
Chaney Weiner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: I forgot
Posts: 326
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Paul View Post
A friend of mine recently met him (at Craig's seminar in FL) and said that he was a very compelling individual. I have never heard of him prior to this thread, but I would like to meet him some day. I may go check out some of his products and see what kind of stuff he produces. Any suggestions based on what you know about his product line, Chaney?
JP
He was at Ryan's bootcamp last year. As for his product line, I do know that his Magic Hundred is really good. check it out here...

The Magic 100... The Fastest Goal Achievement Program On the Planet! || From Dax Moy

Merry Christmas JP!
__________________
Wishing You the Very Best
Chaney Weiner, CSCS


Beginning January 14, 2008... The Ultimate Fat Burning, Motivational, and Life Changing Formula Teleseminar Series.
www.UltimateFatBurningFormula.com

The World's Premiere Fat Loss Community Exclusively for Women!.
www.fatlossforwomen.com
Chaney Weiner is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2007, 01:33 PM   #34 (permalink)
Jean-Paul
I think, therefore I post
 
Jean-Paul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 15,062
Default

He was? Which one was he? I didn't miss a single presentation with the exception of Susan Hill's (which I really regretted because I heard it was the best one of all, but I had to hop on a shuttle to catch my plane).
__________________
Jean-Paul Francoeur
www.jpfitness.com

http://forums.jpfitness.com
"Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-Mark Twain

Jean-Paul is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2007, 01:34 PM   #35 (permalink)
Chaney Weiner
Fitness Professional
 
Chaney Weiner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: I forgot
Posts: 326
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Paul View Post
He was? Which one was he? I didn't miss a single presentation with the exception of Susan Hill's (which I really regretted because I heard it was the best one of all, but I had to hop on a shuttle to catch my plane).
He didn't present at Ryan's bootcamp but I do remember seeing him there. I didn't know of him at the time but I remember his name. After all names like his and mine do standout
__________________
Wishing You the Very Best
Chaney Weiner, CSCS


Beginning January 14, 2008... The Ultimate Fat Burning, Motivational, and Life Changing Formula Teleseminar Series.
www.UltimateFatBurningFormula.com

The World's Premiere Fat Loss Community Exclusively for Women!.
www.fatlossforwomen.com
Chaney Weiner is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007, 10:23 AM   #36 (permalink)
Lisa~
Link-Zilla
 
Lisa~'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Alabama
Posts: 5,150
Default

JP, the first time I read something by Dax Moy was in Alwyn's newsletter from Dec 2006. He shared this excellent article by Dax: Knowledge Is Dead - Try DOledge Instead.

Dax also has a useful article on the LiftStrong CD titled Integrated Movement.

Those articles might introduce you to his writing a bit more. I have been impressed with what I've seen so far.
__________________
Lisa Holladay, CSCS

Our main business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance, but to do what lies clearly at hand.
--Thomas Carlyle
Lisa~ is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007, 11:00 AM   #37 (permalink)
Chaney Weiner
Fitness Professional
 
Chaney Weiner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: I forgot
Posts: 326
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa~ View Post
JP, the first time I read something by Dax Moy was in Alwyn's newsletter from Dec 2006. He shared this excellent article by Dax: Knowledge Is Dead - Try DOledge Instead.

Dax also has a useful article on the LiftStrong CD titled Integrated Movement.

Those articles might introduce you to his writing a bit more. I have been impressed with what I've seen so far.
I agree Lisa. Have you heard any of the interviews he has done? He gave a great interview with us and I have heard others he has given and they were all great.

Have a Great Holiday
Chaney
__________________
Wishing You the Very Best
Chaney Weiner, CSCS


Beginning January 14, 2008... The Ultimate Fat Burning, Motivational, and Life Changing Formula Teleseminar Series.
www.UltimateFatBurningFormula.com

The World's Premiere Fat Loss Community Exclusively for Women!.
www.fatlossforwomen.com
Chaney Weiner is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007, 05:34 PM   #38 (permalink)
Chaney Weiner
Fitness Professional
 
Chaney Weiner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: I forgot
Posts: 326
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaac Wilkins View Post





Helping people and giving away info, which we enjoy doing, is also great for business. I don't see why the two can't coexist.
This is a GREAT statement and one of the bet ones I've seen yet. They absolutely can co exist. You very rarely see anyone mention how important it is to help people whenever they mention making money. You almost always see those in this profession talking making oney and never make any reference to helping people.

I wouldn't even look at it as giving away info. Anything that is valuable to someone comes with a price. Fitness pros should not feel guilty about being compensated for helping people. If someone is truly coming from the heart and cares about helping others the money comes anyway. Those who are in it strictly for the money will show their true colors when promoting their stuff. It is very easy to see right through it.
__________________
Wishing You the Very Best
Chaney Weiner, CSCS


Beginning January 14, 2008... The Ultimate Fat Burning, Motivational, and Life Changing Formula Teleseminar Series.
www.UltimateFatBurningFormula.com

The World's Premiere Fat Loss Community Exclusively for Women!.
www.fatlossforwomen.com
Chaney Weiner is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2008, 09:47 AM   #39 (permalink)
DAX
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2
Default

Hi Guys

I hope you don't mind me dropping in like this but I heard about this discussion and, well, it's what I'm most passionate about so I thought I'd pop by and give you my 2 cents if that's ok?

In fact, this discussion fits in perfectly with The Loser's Doctrine that I just published where I unleash my mad ramblings : ) about my own personal beliefs about success and failure (JP, I hope this is ok to mention it... I'm not selling anything or marketing through it, it's just an interest article and doesn't even run through a squeeze page).

Y'see, I reckon that failure, just like success has a scientific cause and effect 'recipe' and that many, many trainers (and others) are unwittingly following the losers doctrine despite verbalising that they want success.

Worse still, they have a tendency to view those who are becoming successful as being 'less' in some way as though their wealth and success has somehow meant that they have 'sold out' their beliefs and their abilities to serve as great coaches.

Clearly, this thinking pattern does not build positivity around gaining success for oneself (my Dad used to say that all people who drove brand new cars were show-offs and jerks, it took me until just 3 years ago to break free of that thought and buy something new for myself).

I won't harp on here guys but take a look at the doctrine over at www.personaltrainersuccessacad emy.com/losersdoctrine.pdf and see what I'm talking about.

To your success

DAX

P.S - JP, we DID meet at bootcamp my friend, I did a roundtable with Alwyn, Ryan and Jim where we looked at Matt Schoebrook and Kevin Gianni's sites live onstage... we spoke after that : )
DAX is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2008, 11:45 AM   #40 (permalink)
Chaney Weiner
Fitness Professional
 
Chaney Weiner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: I forgot
Posts: 326
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DAX View Post





I won't harp on here guys but take a look at the doctrine over at www.personaltrainersuccessacad emy.com/losersdoctrine.pdf and see what I'm talking about.

To your success

DAX
That is a great read. Thanks for sharing that Dax.

I also invite everyone to check our interview with Dax that will air on January 14. You can learn more about here...
www.ultimatefatburningformula. com
__________________
Wishing You the Very Best
Chaney Weiner, CSCS


Beginning January 14, 2008... The Ultimate Fat Burning, Motivational, and Life Changing Formula Teleseminar Series.
www.UltimateFatBurningFormula.com

The World's Premiere Fat Loss Community Exclusively for Women!.
www.fatlossforwomen.com
Chaney Weiner is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2008, 11:56 AM   #41 (permalink)
Jean-Paul
I think, therefore I post
 
Jean-Paul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 15,062
Default

Heh... I'm such a dork.

Glad to see you on here. This particular subforum is pretty interesting... Hopefully you will stick around and chime in every now and then.

I don't mind your links at all. In fact, I'm looking forward to reading through them.

I'm not sure what it is about me in the past that made me such a fatalist, but I always struggled with money. I think you have to really understand it, and not be afraid of it to finally acquire it. It's like I would sabotage my own success, and you're right, I would feel like I was selling out to really promote myself. I've gotten over that for the most part, really making some breakthroughs in the last year.

There are those individuals who market themselves as one of these top trainers who just don't have the substance or experience. They haven't paid their dues, and they use some of these great marketing techniques to promote themselves, leaving those who buy their products feeling jaded about the entire industry. I think that we have seen a lot of backlash against that in the last year.

This phenomenon has made me slow to adapt that business model. I have however come up with some pretty creative ways to drive profits. I will be speaking on this at Ryan Lee's event this March as a matter of fact.
__________________
Jean-Paul Francoeur
www.jpfitness.com

http://forums.jpfitness.com
"Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-Mark Twain

Jean-Paul is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2008, 12:16 PM   #42 (permalink)
westcoastfitfem
westcoastfitfem
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1
Default

JP I know you are going to be shocked that I actually posted instead of continuing to lurk. Honestly you and Dax are two of the people who really inspired me to change my mindset in regards to money and business. 2007 was a year that had me almost walk away from doing what I love so much because I couldn't figure out how to actually make a living at it without completely burning myself out. Dax's excellence programs and his magic 100 (which I am currently working through) are great products. I have to say that both you and Dax are two of the people who actually take the time to respond to my personal emails. The loser docturine that Dax put out today is great but I am sure many people just won't get what he is trying to say. There is room for all of us to be successful.
Lisa
Fitness coaching Richmond
westcoastfitfem is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2008, 12:58 AM   #43 (permalink)
DAX
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Paul View Post
...and you're right, I would feel like I was selling out to really promote myself. I've gotten over that for the most part, really making some breakthroughs in the last year.
Yes, there's this pervasive myth that becoming wealthy (or at least, more successful) creates an automatic jerk-status.

Certainly, my own father told me throughout my life that people who live in nice houses, drive nice cars and take expensive vacations are wasteful poseurs who don't appreciate what they have and measure their success only by their posessions.

Unfortunately, he went to the grave with that thought.

Promotion, to me at least, is vital. Especially if you truly want to make a lasting impact on the world and leave a legacy.

If you're a fantastic trainer or coach and yet, because you shun self promotion as something 'bad' you only ever get to impact upon the lives of a very small number of people then truly, are you REALLY using your talents and gifts as well as you could be?

Are you making the greatest impact?

I always think of it from the perspective of a doctor finding a cure for Cancer or AIDS. Could you imagine how ridiculous it would be for her NOT to promote this fact to the world for fear of being deemed self-centred and flashy?

She has a skill, right? She has information and education that can help millions upon millions of people and yet, because self-promotion is 'bad' she treats only her private patients at her clinic impacting upon40-50 people a week.

It would be ridiculous and, indeed, negligent of someone to do this don't you think?

What then of trainers and coaches?

Don't they posess knolwedge, skills and abilities that can and do make a huge impact upon the lives of those they serve?

Could promotion/marketing make an even greater impact?

So, the real question is; if you KNOW you have the knowledge, skills and abilities to truly help many, many people lead healthier, more vital lives, why aren't you?

Promotion isn't selling out. It's buying in... to being the greatest and most impactful coach you can be.

Quote:
There are those individuals who market themselves as one of these top trainers who just don't have the substance or experience. They haven't paid their dues, and they use some of these great marketing techniques to promote themselves, leaving those who buy their products feeling jaded about the entire industry. I think that we have seen a lot of backlash against that in the last year.
A couple of thoughts here.

First, I agree that the current swathe of trainers who have more marketing skills than coaching skills has, at times, created an element of confusion and mistrust in the online marketplace but, well, no more so than in any other industry.

The internet simply propagates and fertilises marketing ideas faster than 'real world' marketing and so you see a lot of crap appear in a very condensed time period.

That said, you see a lot of good stuff too from guys who would never have gotten a book deal (myself included) in 'the real world' if it wasn't for creating such an online following.

So, it's not marketing knowledge or skill that is the problem, it's what is being marketed, right?

But here's the thing (my second point).

You can NEVER control WHAT is being marketed any more than you can control HOW it's marketed.

You as the purchaser have a simple 'buy/don't buy' decision to make in exactly the same way as if you walk into Barnes and Noble, Walmart or anywhere else.

What I'm getting at, is there is always choice and with that choice, there's always an element of risk too that the product won't live up to your expectations.

I think we tend to forget that.

And we also have a tendency to forget that unhappy customers won't return and that they won't spread word of mouth and so, as far as the 'crap' products we often hear trainers complaining about, we don't really have to worry.

If they're so poor then people won't buy them in the first place. : )
DAX is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:54 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0

 

Web

forums.jpfitness.com

 

web stats