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Old 01-21-2006, 07:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Im thinking of getting my P.T. certification.....

So I was wondering what orginizations I should look at. Which do you guys reccomend? Also about how much would it cost? I would like to do something in the sports training area and in youth specific stuff. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
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Old 01-22-2006, 09:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Im thinking of getting my P.T. certification.....

without getting too specific, NSCA and ACSM are a couple of the premier ones employers like to see. The NSCA-CSCS is awesome, but requires a 4 year degree (in anything) and LOTs of study time. The NCSA-CPT is what I have while in college and is still fairly demanding and well respected. I am not as familiar with ACSM certs, but do know they are top notch and take a lot of preperation also.
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Old 01-22-2006, 12:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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C&C dad: you might already be aware of many of these aspects, but this information could be useful to other forum members.

If you are interested in sports conditioning, with a concentration in youth-specific training, consider these options:

As ichbinba has said, the NSCA's C.S.C.S. credential is widely recognized. For this one you need a 4-year degree (in any field) from an accredited university. This is not a youth-specific option; however, I think one could enroll in appropriate Continuing Education or specialization courses to cover those topics. Other options you could consider are NASM's Performance Enhancement Specialist (PES) and ISSA's Sport Conditioning Specialist (SSC). As their name implies, both of these "specialization" certifications require that one already possess a fitness trainer certification from a recognized organization, or a degree in a health and fitness-related field. The ISSA also offers a Youth Fitness Trainer (YFT) certification at the same level of their Certified Fitness Trainer (CFT) certification; that means that you could use the YFT as an entry point for their SSC certification.

NASM's PES page:
http://www.nasm.org/Certification/pes.aspx

ISSA's home page:
http://www.issaonline.com

ISSA's YFT program:
http://www.youthfitness.com/

As far as I know, the ACSM doesn't offer certifications targeted at sports or youth conditioning; their focus is on the health, fitness, and clinical applications of exercise. I guess it should be possible to use their certifications as entry points for other specialization certifications, but all of them, excluding their certified Personal Trainer (cPT) one, require a university degree in a health-related field.

For youth conditioning programs, you might want to investigate the offerings of the International Youth Conditioning Association (IYCA). This forum's very own Brian Grasso, Bill Hartman, and John Berardi are part of the Board of Directors of this association:

http://www.iyca.org

It would behoove you to know as well that some organizations require you to attend a workshop or seminar in order to earn certification.

Regarding costs:

If you choose the NSCA-CC as your certification agency, it would be a good strategy to become a member of the NSCA first: besides receiving a number of journals and other useful resources and benefits, you would be able to take advantage of significant member discounts in exam fees and preparation materials.

NSCA - Certification information:
http://www.nsca-cc.org

NSCA - Membership information:
http://www.nsca-lift.org

Keep in mind that, in the case of NSCA, exam fees are separate from the cost of preparation materials and workshops. As an effect of being NCCA-accredited, the NSCA can't advertise that one *requires* to purchase and study with their preparation materials to pass their exam; it should be possible for anyone to take (and possibly pass) their exam without using those specific resources. That is also the case for NASM's Certified Personal Trainer (CPT) certification, which has just obtained accreditation from the NCCA (I'm not sure whether this applies to their PES certification as well.) Here's the C.S.C.S. study guide, which includes a list of recommended readings:

http://nsca-cc.org/downloads/Study_CSCS.pdf

The ISSA's programs are not NCCA-accredited, and they do require that one purchase (and study with) their preparation materials. This is part of the issue that you might want to consider before arriving at a decision, taking into account the industry's ongoing discussion regarding NCCA-accredited organizations, on one hand, and the NBFE (National Board of Fitness Examiners)-affiliated organizations on the other, which has been presented previously in this thread:

http://forums.jpfitness.com/showflat...32/an/0/page/0

Other thing you might need to consider is the availability of exam and workshop locations and dates. The NSCA, for example, has fixed exam locations and dates, which might not give you adequate time to study and prepare. I believe that the ACSM and the NASM use computer-based exams that give you more freedom when it comes to selecting the date and location in which you might want to take the exam. ISSA's exams offer the most freedom: they can be taken online, or mailed in (but these exam formats lessen the credibility of their certifications, according to some people.)

With all that being said, expect to pay $500-700 for any of these certifications. That would include exams fees and preparation materials and events, if you need them (books, videos, practice exams, workshops, etc.)

Most organizations require trainers to periodically renew their certifications, generally every two years, and for that it is necessary to fulfill a predetermined number of Continuing Education Credits (CEC), or Units (CEU). Take a look at which CE courses are available (including their prices) at each organization and at third-party providers. Pay special attention to the third-party courses you might be interested in, since it may happen that your chosen organization doesn't accept some of the them; generally, however, when a course is not accepted directly, you can send a petition to your organization and get it approved. For an example of the available CE courses, check the sites of these providers:

Human Kinetics Online Education Center (here you can browse the courses accepted by each particular organization)
http://www.hkeducationcenter.com/courseCatalog.cfm

Personal Training on the Net
http://www.ptonthenet.com/

The ISSA, and possibly other organizations, accept college credits as CEUs, which would help you if you are a student in a health-related field.

With all these issues in mind, this would be the order of my preferences for sports conditioning certifications: NSCA, NASM, and ISSA. You could complement any of those with the programs provided by the IYCA, and, of course, by extensive reading on your part on the many topics that are of interest to any serious, professional trainer.
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Old 01-22-2006, 01:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Im thinking of getting my P.T. certification.....

Thanks for that great response, Esteban!
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Old 01-22-2006, 02:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
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JP, it's my pleasure. I would like to use this opportunity to thank you as well. I believe that I'm speaking on behalf of everyone in this forum when I say that your continued effort in providing us with the framework that allows for this kind of collaboration and discussion is greatly appreciated.
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Old 01-22-2006, 08:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Im thinking of getting my P.T. certification.....

Thank you very much. This will defenantly give me some direction to look in. This is a bit of a long term goal for me so I am going to take my time and do my research. Thanks again.
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Old 01-23-2006, 04:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
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C&C dad,

I just found this at Brian Grasso's site:

"The Aspects Of Youth Athlete Development" Free Course
http://www.developingathletics.com/yad.asp

I thought you might be interested.
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Old 01-24-2006, 08:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks Esteban! I think I will do that.
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Old 01-25-2006, 08:53 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Default Re: Im thinking of getting my P.T. certification.....

Good info Esteban! I've been looking into what I need to get certified, and this is very helpful indeed!
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Old 01-25-2006, 09:36 AM   #10 (permalink)
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C&C dad and Steve-O-68, you are welcome.

I would like to add that all fitness and sports certifications I have seen require that the candidate hold a current CPR (Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation, or Emergency Cardiac Care) certification.

Also, I need to amend something: I just talked to an ISSA representative regarding the Specialist in Sports Conditioning (SSC) course. He told me that the SSC is a standalone course, with no prerequisites other than the candidate being at least 18 years old and submitting a CPR certificate. A CFT credential is recommended, but not required. Since the NSCA's and the NASM's sports conditioning certifications do require previous studies in the form of a college degree (for both organizations) or a recognized certification credential (for the NASM), and because the SSC course is advertised as a "specialization" course, it was only natural to assume that the ISSA's course would have similar prerequisites. I apologize if I caused confusion in this regard.
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I know CPR from my lifeguarding days but my certificate has long been expired. Should be no problem though. Thanks again.
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Old 01-26-2006, 11:51 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I would also like to add that, as I mentioned in the NCCA vs. NBFE thread I alluded to in my original post (but thought would be useful to mention here as well), a part of what might be important to consider before making a decision is the fact that some specialization courses could be within or out of one's reach if one chooses a particular certification.

For example, the American Council on Exercise’s (ACE) specialization programs have the prerequisite of an NCCA-accredited-certification credential, or a college degree in a relevant, health/fitness-related field. I have just talked to an NASM representative who informed me that their Performance Enhancement Specialist (PES) and Corrective Exercise Specialist (CES, a course that is being developed and to be launched in late spring this year) certifications require an NASM-CPT (not just any NCCA-accredited-certification) credential, or a relevant college degree. That means, for example, that if one only has an ISSA-CFT or ISSA-SSC credential (and no relevant college degree), one wouldn't be able to enroll in and earn those certifications.

All these distinctions make this matter increasingly complicated.
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Has anyone had any experience dealing with the National Personal Training Institute? There program sounds good and they are ACE certified, but it's not an at home study. They have schools around the country. Seem's like it would be a legitimate option, but it costs like $5,000 + housing.
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