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Old 09-16-2009, 12:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It happened yet again, something I'm eating is different than the label says. I keep getting better at weighing and calorie counting.

My bag of flour tortilla shells has the nutrition label for 1 tortilla (or 33 g.) I've been just plugging in for 1 tortilla, at 100 cals, seems easy and logical enough.....nope, you've gotta weigh everything.

Today I plopped the tortilla on the scale. Yup, it weighs 47 g or actually has close to 150 calories. I ate 2 of those last night for dinner, so I actually ate 100 calories more than I calculated out for.

So now I didn't eat 2 calories under my 1800 goal, but a good 100 over.

To those of you who don't think it's important to weigh and measure, this is an example of a typical error in calorie counting, and it happens time and time again. Have that happen regularly and no wonder we are clueless when our weight doesn't go down.

Just wondering if anyone else has some good examples of this to share?
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It happened yet again, something I'm eating is different than the label says. I keep getting better at weighing and calorie counting.

My bag of flour tortilla shells has the nutrition label for 1 tortilla (or 33 g.) I've been just plugging in for 1 tortilla, at 100 cals, seems easy and logical enough.....nope, you've gotta weigh everything.

Today I plopped the tortilla on the scale. Yup, it weighs 47 g or actually has close to 150 calories. I ate 2 of those last night for dinner, so I actually ate 100 calories more than I calculated out for.

So now I didn't eat 2 calories under my 1800 goal, but a good 100 over.

To those of you who don't think it's important to weigh and measure, this is an example of a typical error in calorie counting, and it happens time and time again. Have that happen regularly and no wonder we are clueless when our weight doesn't go down.

Just wondering if anyone else has some good examples of this to share?
I have found this with Ezekiel products (bread, english muffins, and tortillas) They almost always weigh more than the label states sometimes as much as 25% more. Like you said, the calorie difference can really add up and mess with your deficit.
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Any foods with seeds, nuts, fruits or whole grains should be weighed out. There's no way for the mfg to get the same amount of these ingredients say in a slice of bread-so definitely weigh.
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This is why I always suggest weighing of food when someone says they are eating 1500 calories a day (for example) and not losing weight. Are you weighing? You may THINK you are eating 1500 calories a day, but most likely aren't. Let's say your maintenance is 1900 calories a day. As pointed out above, it's pretty damn easy to pad those 1500 calories they are SO sure about with an additional 400 without even knowing it.

There are those on the forum who say weighing isn't necessary. Although I don't advocate it as a life-long thing, I think it is most helpful at the beginning to really KNOW your maintenance or deficit-level calories. If you really don't know how much you are taking in, how do you know what your deficit level is? Guessing doesn't seem to bring about desired results.
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There are those on the forum who say weighing isn't necessary. Although I don't advocate it as a life-long thing, I think it is most helpful at the beginning to really KNOW your maintenance or deficit-level calories. If you really don't know how much you are taking in, how do you know what your deficit level is? Guessing doesn't seem to bring about desired results.
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I think it is PARTICULARLY critical for folks who
1. are near their goal weight OR
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I consider intuitive eating to be an advanced skill. some people have it just naturally tho. they usually never have weight problems. for me, intuitive eating took a LONG time to learn. I can now successfully MAINTAIN my weight with intuitive eating and eyeballing my food. but if I want to be in a deficit, I have to track my calories and weigh my food. yes, it is a tedious, left brain action. yes, my creative right brain self hates it. but when you are not getting the results you want, sometimes you have to weigh. in grams. so glad I learned this from leigh and others on this board, or I would still be a 164 pound runner taking 10 MORE years to lose 20 pounds.

I don't want to be weighing my food in grams for my entire lifetime, but honestly, if that is what it took to maintain my 80 plus pound weight loss for a lifetime, I would totally do it. I have fortunately been able to learn intuitive eating, but I am fine with returning to tedious tasks if intuitive eating quits working.
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I think it is PARTICULARLY critical for folks who
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or a combo of both.

I consider intuitive eating to be an advanced skill. some people have it just naturally tho. they usually never have weight problems. for me, intuitive eating took a LONG time to learn. I can now successfully MAINTAIN my weight with intuitive eating and eyeballing my food. but if I want to be in a deficit, I have to track my calories and weigh my food. yes, it is a tedious, left brain action. yes, my creative right brain self hates it. but when you are not getting the results you want, sometimes you have to weigh. in grams. so glad I learned this from leigh and others on this board, or I would still be a 164 pound runner taking 10 MORE years to lose 20 pounds.

I don't want to be weighing my food in grams for my entire lifetime, but honestly, if that is what it took to maintain my 80 plus pound weight loss for a lifetime, I would totally do it. I have fortunately been able to learn intuitive eating, but I am fine with returning to tedious tasks if intuitive eating quits working.
I couldn't agree more. Yes it can be a hassle at times but being stuck at a weight one is not happy with is a much bigger hassle and source of frustration.

I love the book Intuitive Eating and have been able to incorporate facets of it along with weighing/tracking my food. I do think it is a hard skill to learn for people who are not naturally thin. Defintely one worth learning though.
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Question: What is the best state to weigh your food? For example, I buy Tyson frozen chicken breasts in a big bag from Sam's. I always weigh it after I thaw it out and before I cook or prepare it. I have noticed there is juice/water in the bowl that does not get cooked/eaten and I know that you shouldn't weigh chicken after cooking it (something I read on another site, hoping it's true). Just wondering if it matters. LOL, I am all about making sure that I am eating the most I can for my calories w/o going over. This may be in Leigh's book and I just haven't gotten to that point yet. If so, just point me in that direction!
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Oh, yeah! Again, may be in the book and haven't gotten there. How are you supposed to work in a cheat meal or 2? Does it have to fit in your cals? How does that work and end up being a "cheat" or "free" meal if it's in your macros?
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I weigh in California. I find it convenient as I also live and eat here. I'm not sure it is the best for everyone though. /snark

You need to weigh in the condition that matches what you are using to lookup the nutritional value (raw vs. cooked). Cooked is a little more variable because you never know how much water/fat your particular piece of meat lost in cooking.

If I have a chicken breast that I am going to cook & then eat - I weigh it raw.

But if I have 6 breasts on the grill, unless I marked them each with their before weights when I started, my only choice is to weigh them cooked. Which I think is fine too.
On the other hand, if I portion out (and weigh) four 5 oz hamburgers (raw wt.) I'll use that nutrition information even if 3 shrink down to 4.5 oz and 1 shrinks to 4 oz.
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Another example - orowheat double fiber bread, 1 slice is given for 38grams and 70 cals. Oh no, only the smallest end piece comes in at 38g. For a week, I weighed slices for bkfst, and typically they are 42-45g/each, thus 77-83 cals. Those little extra calories add up when you're 5lbs from your goal!

[I started ripping off the crust, which I don't love anyways, until a slice weighed 38g]

I too would love to know if you should weigh before or after cooking. I tend to bake chicken breasts, but portion it into 4oz after it's cooked...
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I think it is PARTICULARLY critical for folks who
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I consider intuitive eating to be an advanced skill. some people have it just naturally tho. they usually never have weight problems. .
It's sad because intuitive eating is a skill we are born with. People lose it over time from excessive dieting, lack of access to healthy food, poor body image, etc.
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[quote=avocado;759196]It's sad because intuitive eating is a skill we are born with. People lose it over time from excessive dieting, lack of access to healthy food, poor body image, etc.[/quote


What about obese children?
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I couldn't agree more. Yes it can be a hassle at times but being stuck at a weight one is not happy with is a much bigger hassle and source of frustration.
Well, eating disorders are a hassle, too. There's a disconnect I see on this site. In one post, someone will be talking about their history of anorexia. In another, they'll be counseling people to weigh their food by grams.

Does anyone see the connection???
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It's sad because intuitive eating is a skill we are born with. People lose it over time from excessive dieting, lack of access to healthy food, poor body image, etc.[/quote


What about obese children?
They were not born obese. They are dependent upon their parents, who may or may not be providing nutritious food and/or adequate opportunity for exercise.
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Well, eating disorders are a hassle, too. There's a disconnect I see on this site. In one post, someone will be talking about their history of anorexia. In another, they'll be counseling people to weigh their food by grams.

Does anyone see the connection???
I don't think there is a disconnect at all. It all depends on the person. Like it was said above if it makes someone crazy and obsessive they shouldn't do it. Yes I had an eating disroder in the past and there were defintely times in my life then that it would not have been appropriate to do so. although once I was on my way to recovery counting/tracking was important to help me make sure I was getting enough calories. But that is a different issue.
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It's sad because intuitive eating is a skill we are born with. People lose it over time from excessive dieting, lack of access to healthy food, poor body image, etc.
Hmmm... I'm not sure I can agree with that. Left to their own devices, I don't see the typical preschooler choosing a healthy diet.

Unless maybe you mean we're born with it, and lose the skill shortly after being weaned from breast milk.
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Hmmm... I'm not sure I can agree with that. Left to their own devices, I don't see the typical preschooler choosing a healthy diet.

Unless maybe you mean we're born with it, and lose the skill shortly after being weaned from breast milk.
Preschoolers do tend to be naturally intuitive eaters, unless their parents have fucked them up with diets (and this does happen). They may not eat "clean," i.e. macaroni and cheese will be a favorite, but they eat what they need and move on.
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Well, eating disorders are a hassle, too. There's a disconnect I see on this site. In one post, someone will be talking about their history of anorexia. In another, they'll be counseling people to weigh their food by grams.

Does anyone see the connection???
I can say that by far education and reality is what helps people dealing with eating disorders no matter what end of the spectrum they are on. There are different levels of overeating and anorexia/bulimia. It isn't all control and trying to shelter a past issue. Most of the time it is pure frustration. They want the body they want but they don't understand how to get it. They know that starving themselves and throwing up works so as a last ditch effort they go for it. It starts to change who they are and things go from there.

I have seen the flip side where people think they deserve more than they do, get frustrated not being able to lose the fat, and would rather be feed and full than fat and hungry.

Sure there are larger head trip issues out there and there are more special cases of self destruction and mental health that extends moderate. Most of the time though I just don't find it to be the case.

I can't tell you how many girls were saved from a dose of reality and a food scale.
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Preschoolers do tend to be naturally intuitive eaters, unless their parents have fucked them up with diets (and this does happen). They may not eat "clean," i.e. macaroni and cheese will be a favorite, but they eat what they need and move on.
I don't think so. Your examples do contribute to the issue and make things worse, but what if our bodies and minds are not able to cope with the abundance of cheap and tasty foods that are so high/dense in calories? That's the bigger issue. Then, generation by generation we teach our children those bad habits based on our own experiences with those cheap and tasty foods. A vicious circle.
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I don't think so. Your examples do contribute to the issue and make things worse, but what if our bodies and minds are not able to cope with the abundance of cheap and tasty foods that are so high/dense in calories? That's the bigger issue. Then, generation by generation we teach our children those bad habits based on our own experiences with those cheap and tasty foods. A vicious circle.

Our food culture definitely produces a lot of (sometimes delicious) crap that people have a hard time eating intuitively. I agree as a society we have some bad habits--including not knowing how to shop, plan or prepare meals--and this is an impediment to intuitive eating. I think it's a big part of the problem and I can see this driving people into the other direction of being obsessive about dieting and/or developing eating disorders. However, diets and strict calorie counting have not been the answer, either. That's what bothers me about people presenting strict calorie counting as The Way or, god help us, Reality. Sorry, it's not. I especially find it inappropriate for people with long, sordid histories of dieting and/or eating disorders and am frankly horrified when I see it recommended under those circumstances.

I can see how intuitive eating would be considered an advanced skill in this kind of culture. Like I said, though, I think it's ironic given that we are born knowing how to eat. Dieting can fuck this natural ability up, but so can an overabundance of too good food. You are right about that, Lost Dog.

As for preschoolers, they tend not to have as much baggage and will eat without evaluating the weight, macros, etc. of their food. I do see some with issues, though, when parents try to enforce diets; not so much physiologically, because they are hardy creatures, but very much so emotionally. They grow up feeling something is wrong with them, their bodies, their natural hunger, etc.
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The catch is that many people think that they're eating X number of calories when in fact, they aren't. Although I find precise calorie counting helps me, I usually would only suggest that people do it from time to time. We live in a society where we really don't know what a medium apple is. I'm not sure that they even sell them much anymore. Most of what we think of as a medium apples are large.

Does it really matter? Probably not. However, if under-estimating calories by say 20-25% it can be the reason why someone is not losing weight on what they may think of as moderately low calories. Being precise for a week or two is not obsessive. It's simply checking your methods.

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It has for some people, but it won't be the answer for everyone. Intuitive eating has never worked for me. I know it works for others, but I tend to have a knee jerk reaction when people seem to think that we should all be able to do it. I intuitively ate myself to 400+ pounds. I've calorie counted my way back to ~230. My methods may be a little obsessive, but they work for me. I don't think I've ever suggested (nor has anyone here) really suggested that it's the only way. However, as far as trouble-shooting goes, double-checking your input is a very valid method.
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The catch is that many people think that they're eating X number of calories when in fact, they aren't. Although I find precise calorie counting helps me, I usually would only suggest that people do it from time to time. We live in a society where we really don't know what a medium apple is. I'm not sure that they even sell them much anymore. Most of what we think of as a medium apples are large.

Does it really matter? Probably not. However, if under-estimating calories by say 20-25% it can be the reason why someone is not losing weight on what they may think of as moderately low calories. Being precise for a week or two is not obsessive. It's simply checking your methods.



It has for some people, but it won't be the answer for everyone. Intuitive eating has never worked for me. I know it works for others, but I tend to have a knee jerk reaction when people seem to think that we should all be able to do it. I intuitively ate myself to 400+ pounds. I've calorie counted my way back to ~230. My methods may be a little obsessive, but they work for me. I don't think I've ever suggested (nor has anyone here) really suggested that it's the only way. However, as far as trouble-shooting goes, double-checking your input is a very valid method.

I read your excellent log for a bit and you talk about having compulsive overeating disorder. I totally respect you and your accomplishment, but let's be honest, that's not intuitive eating. I'm very glad calorie counting has helped you. Research-wise, however, diets don't have a good track record.
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I read your excellent log for a bit and you talk about having compulsive overeating disorder. I totally respect you and your accomplishment, but let's be honest, that's not intuitive eating. I'm very glad calorie counting has helped you. Research-wise, however, diets don't have a good track record.
IMO, diets have a bad track record because people don't really want to lose it and keep it off.

People get fat for a variety of reasons. It could be habits, but what allows the overeating habits to form? Emotional eating is another part of our vicious circle. Compulsive overeating, the failure to feel "full," the addiction to that feeling of full or even over full, etc. are emotional in nature.

With me, previous diets failed because I was unhappy and hoping that getting slim would make me happier (I'd get a girl, make more friends, be more accepted, etc.). When I lost weight and nothing really changed, why would I continue the struggle and be miserable with hunger? Why put in the work when it's not resulting in being happier? So I ate more again.

When I decided to be happy and then lose weight, not only was it easier, but (so far/6 years) permanent.
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I read your excellent log for a bit and you talk about having compulsive overeating disorder. I totally respect you and your accomplishment, but let's be honest, that's not intuitive eating. I'm very glad calorie counting has helped you. Research-wise, however, diets don't have a good track record.
Roland's answer is great, but I have one other point - diet, when defined as changing behavior/food for a limited amount of time - doesn't work for long-term success IF the person just returns to their pre-diet eating afterwards. Research-wise, much of the long-term diet data is for people who went "on" a diet and then back "off" of it instead of changing their habits for life.

Also, I think when Anne mentioned "intuitive eating" she wasn't referring to the methods in the book by that title, but to what her body tells her. My body is the same way (although I haven't gained/lost the amount of weight Anne has, nor have I been as consistent as Anne has been!) - if I "listen" to it, it tells me that fast food and ice cream and cheesecake are the staples of my diet. So that may be intuitive for me, but it's not healthy or a way I can live my life (anymore).
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I read your excellent log for a bit and you talk about having compulsive overeating disorder. I totally respect you and your accomplishment, but let's be honest, that's not intuitive eating. I'm very glad calorie counting has helped you. Research-wise, however, diets don't have a good track record.
As Bytsi mentioned, I'm not specifically talking about the book (as I haven't read it). My eating style over the years has perhaps qualified as an eating disorder, with one slight difference. I really do believe that most of my overeating is triggered by hunger. I simply have screwed up hunger signals. I can't trust my hunger to tell me when to eat. And unlike Bytsi I can overeat on what most people would consider reasonably healthy food. Just not healthy in large amounts.

However, back briefly to the concept of troubleshooting fat loss. I do believe that short-term detailed tracking can be a helpful tool. I don't think it's the only answer, however, when you think you're doing everything right and it doesn't seem to be working - that's when you need to pick apart a system to find a solution. Maybe that comes from my work background (having been involved in nonconformance investigation and process improvements). When something isn't working you need to look at everything in detail, identify potential problem areas, and look for potential areas of improvement. Most people really don't get at times that a Tb of peanut butter isn't heaping (ie. it isn't as much as you can get on a spoon) and that there's a difference in the calories. I think that's why you'll often see people here suggesting that people weigh stuff. It's primarily so people doublecheck that they're really taking a serving of items (not two servings).

Eventually people get to the point where they recognize things and they don't need to do it anymore. I can pretty much eyeball a tsp of butter now (and usually do). Periodically I do make sure that I haven't drifted a little though.

Oh, and I agree that diets don't work. It's almost a cliche now, but it really is about changing your lifestyle. For me, it was about finding a better way to live. I still post periodically on a diet board where I watch people still struggle with the diet mentality. ie. they have to eat stuff they hate for 'x amount of time' and then...

Well, we know that when the 'then' comes along that they go back to their old style of eating and they simply regain weight. I still see lots of women using insane diet methods because they're convinced that once they lose the weight they'll be able to keep it off. I used to think that way myself. Hopefully I've learned a little over the last little while (sometimes I'm not so sure though).
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I have every book on Intuitive Eating, Normal Eating and Emotional Eating. It doesn't work for me. Some time back I decided to hell with it all...tried the technique and gained 20+ lbs. I was in a funk, my health was bad, I couldn't exercise, I had a painful neck injury, and wine consoled my pain.

I either am "on" my diet or "off" my diet. To me a diet is just the numbers these days, the calorie numbers and hitting certain macros. Nothing more nothing less. So I can intuitively eat foods I enjoy, I just need to fit them into my diet. If you give me a list of foods to eat, I guarantee I'll eat the opposite. But if you give me a number to stick to, I can probably work it out. I can't even plan my foods out for a day, because I'm sure to change my desires by lunch time.

I've finally found what works for me.

Do I want to track calories the rest of my life, hell no, but I might have to track a few days a week to keep them relatively low...to allow days that are higher.

BTW, I do not have an eating disorder. Food is just darn good and I love how it tastes. I tell my husband (who cooks dinner) to cook yucky food, so I will eat just what I need to sustain myself, not eat it for pleasure.
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I don't think I will ever be able to do true "intuitive eating" because my "intuition" also is called by pizza, chocolate, oreos and ice cream.

I came to an "ah ha" moment after my 2 week diet break in July, that maintenance is just 500-800 calories more than what I am eating now, but the same kind of eating as when in deficit/diet. Whether I save those calories up for a weekend barbecue or party, or eat them each day, will have to be conscious decided daily, and hopefully after a year or 3 of maintenance practice, I might approach some learned intuition. I hope to have a learned intuitive awareness of amounts of food, and not have to weigh the food, but it is important and 2nd nature now.

I am finally getting results on the scale after 20 weeks. What was the secret? I think I was eating too many calories DUH! ... well I was eating about 1350cal and exercising about 5-6x/week, and rationally by the numbers it should have worked. My deficit is not larger than it was, but my calories are lower.

I think each person is slightly different. I am beginning to think body chemistry has a lot to do with diet success and hunger signals. I have been taking phentermine for almost 3 weeks and have no hunger cravings. I never really had much hunger signals, but I constantly had cravings for carbs and sugar. an addiction. I could steal chocolate from people's desks at work. I felt physically pulled by the chocolate like a magnet. I think some people don't have that pull. The Phent drug shut down that physical part of my brain. How nice! I'd love the craving of my brain to be shut down without the drug.
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I love the book Intuitive Eating, I found myself thinking "YES" so often when reading. Restrictive/deprivation dieting does cause me to eventually overeat and binge. That has been a problem for me in the past along with emotional eating. It is not the diet per se that winds up failing me it is MY mindset and behaviors. Counseling was very helpful for dealing with emotional eating.

Weighing food and tracking online doesn't make me feel deprived at all, it is all about the foods I choose to eat (and weigh and track) that make the difference and not having a black/white mentality i.e. if I have something off plan that doesn't mean I ruined my diet and is an excuse to go overboard. I don't set time limits to lose the weight and I accept that weight loss is not linear and it is about progress not perfection. When I made any food legal I did find my cravings reduced dramatically.

While calorie counting/tracking would not be considered Inuitive Eating per the book it gave me comfort while I was attempting to learn the practices of Intuitive Eating. It freed my mind up to really embrace the IE principles and practice them. I have a low BMR, the standard formulas are off for me and the amount of food I need to eat to lose is less than my body would intuitively want most days. The book would say that means I am attempting to get to a weight that is not natural for my body and I see where the authors are coming from. My body is probably happier in the mid to upper end of my "healthy weight range" but that doesn't sit so well with me at this point but maybe I will re-evaluate if I find it hard to maintain where I am at now.
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I'm no expert on Intuitive Eating, but if you've ever felt guilty about eating that pizza, burgers, fries, funnel cake, etc., then you're simply ignoring your intuition. Your intuition may be fine, you just don't want to listen to it.
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I'm someone who doesn't diet, doesn't count calories, doesn't weigh their food, and who eats intuitively, so I thought I'd throw my opinion in

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I have every book on Intuitive Eating, Normal Eating and Emotional Eating. It doesn't work for me. Some time back I decided to hell with it all...tried the technique and gained 20+ lbs. I was in a funk, my health was bad, I couldn't exercise, I had a painful neck injury, and wine consoled my pain.
I, too, gained around 20lbs when I first stopped dieting and started following intuitive/conscious eating principles. That's actually pretty normal, especially if you are finally allowing yourself to have the foods that you have always restricted (this is called the "legalizing" phase). It's also normal because you are still learning what true hunger and satiation feel like, and in those initial stages, it's easy to confuse "full" with "satisfied".

Some of the posters above mentioned that intuitive eating wouldn't work for them because their intuition would tell them to eat pizza all the time. This is a big misconception. Over time you realize that this isn't what your body is asking for all the time. Your body wants foods that make you feel good, and you naturally start to gravitate towards healthier foods. Yes, it's a slow process, and one that many don't have patience for, because they want that 2lb loss every week (which you aren't going to get with intuitive eating).

So yes, many people do overeat in those early stages, and therefore a weight gain is inevitable. But as you continue to learn to truly listen to your hunger and satiation signals, and realize that no, your body *isn't* asking you for ice-cream and cake all the time, you will start to drop weight. In reality, "eating what you want, when you want" doesn't mean eating crap all the time, it means learning which foods make your body feel good and healthy, and eating them in amounts that make you feel satisfied. The whole eat ice-cream/chocolate/chips/cake/cra p (you know, all the c's ) stage lasted maybe 3 months for me. That's it. At the time, it seemed like a lifetime, but in the grand scheme of things, it was just a blip. And now, 5 years later, is just a distant memory.

I like this quote from Sheryl Canter, who wrote the book "Normal Eating for Normal Weight" (www.normaleating.com):

An important part of Normal Eating is understanding, on a deep level, that it is your right to eat whatever you want. But with rights come responsibilities, and this other side of the coin is just as important. No one can tell you what to eat, and that means you must take responsibility for your own eating. In the end, nutrition matters.

I've been following intuitive eating for over 5 years now (I developed an eating disorder through dieting), and I've seen people give up on it and say it doesn't work for them because they gained weight. Gaining temporary weight is a normal part of the process, and one I personally believe to be a tiny price for being able to eat intuitively.

I don't weigh my food. Weighing food is part of what led me to become obsessive about food and weight in the first place, and it was part of what led me to bulimia and binge eating. I'm a healthy weight (I don't weigh myself regularly, as I don't own scales, but when my doctor weighed me last week, I was 123 lbs), I eat intuitively, and I am able to also lose weight by doing this. So no, I do not believe that weighing your food is absolutely critical, nor do I believe one needs to be counting calories to lose weight. That's been the case for me.
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