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Getting smaller, getting leaner, getting firmer, but not losing weight.
Hear me out here guys. I'm a female boxer getting ready for a fight in mid-September. I'm 5'4 and 142lb as of this morning. I really need to be 130 by mid-September to avoid fighting somebody who's 5'8 or so.
I've been counting my calories, weighing and measuring, doing my workouts for two months and haven't lost weight. I've dropped a pants size and look great naked, however.
If I didn't have this fight coming up I wouldn't care what the scale says, but if I weigh 140 come September I'll get murdalized. Any ideas or tips? How long can this go on? At some point the scale has got to move, right?
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Well, there's more to your caloric burn than your workouts… so how active are you the rest of your life? Are you actually eating more than you should? First thought, is of course, that you are. So, prolly first step if you know exactly what you're eating (weighing, not measuring) is to eat less and see what that gets you.
How much do you lose, on average, when you do your "make the weight water loss" routine? If you can lose 5-6 lbs in a week to make a weight, then you are looking at really losing 6-7 more real pounds with 5-6 left to make weight.
Have you practiced that to see how much you drop and what your stamina is like when you rehydrate after the weigh in?
On the other hand, if you are in a big/long deficit with less water left to play with , then you might be looking at trying to just come in at your target weight, 9-12 real lbs in 12 or so weeks.
Let's see-- daily activity is fairly high. I work in a restaurant and am a delivery driver so I don't sit at work. My delivery area is only 3 miles across so I spend a lot of time walking, jogging, climbing stairs, sweeping, washing dishes, etc. Not much time in the car. My calories are just BWx10.
As far as water goes, I'd like to try to lose as much of it as possible in fat instead of water. I've done some reading on the subject and there are some compelling studies that show that fighters who make a habit of dropping water weight for fights tend to have a higher incidence of brain damage than those who do not lose much water. Something about losing the fluid around the brain. That scares the crap out of me.
I guess I'll do a little bit bigger deficit. I was hoping you'd all say, "Don't worry about it, the changes in size mean you're about to drop a bunch on the scale. Keep doing what you're doing!" lol
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how I can keep losing inches without losing pounds??
How much muscle can be gained in how fast? I am satisfied with my progress on OPT for Fatloss, having just completed 8 weeks. Luckily I have recorded measurement, which are are a significant loss of 13 total inches. But I have lost only 3.4 pounds or less than 1/2 lb per week.
In Dec 2008 I had foot surgery and was sedentary from Dec through May 1, so I imagine my whole body's muscles have increased from that immobile time, but it just seems scientifically confusing to me. I can't imagine I've gained 9 pounds of muscle....
You don't need to mention to ignore the scale. I know that. I am just curious, how I can keep losing inches without losing pounds??
OPT for Fatloss: Week 8 END-RESULTS: June 29, 2009
Actual weekly calorie average 1461cal (goal cal 1100-1200)
Actual 7-week’s calorie average = 1345cal
Week's GWF deficit 4072cal. (my LOWEST week's deficit)
Should have equaled 1 lb loss this week....
5 weeks' total GWF deficit: 44,541 or 12.7 lbs in theory
172.2 lbs current, 175.6lbs begin (only -3.4 lbs scale loss in 8 wks)
Up .4 lbs again from last week on a 4000 cal deficit... Booo!!
(I "gained .8 lbs" in past 2 weeks)
I lost 2" this week: .............................. ..Total Measurements...5/4…...6/29.... .change.. (from last wk)
Bust...........41.....40.0...= -1.0"....(-0.5” from last wk)
Ribcage .......37.5...36.0...= -1.5” ...(+0.5” from last wk)
waist..........40.....37.5...= -2.5"....(-0.5” from last wk)
stomach........44.5...39.0 ..= -5.5"....(-1.5” from last wk)
hips...........47.....45.0...= -2.0"....(-0.0” from last wk)
thigh..........24.5...24.....= -0.5".....(same as last wk) Total inches lost = 13" ... down -2" this week!!
How much muscle can be gained in how fast? I am satisfied with my progress on OPT for Fatloss, having just completed 8 weeks. Luckily I have recorded measurement, which are are a significant loss of 13 total inches. But I have lost only 3.4 pounds or less than 1/2 lb per week.
In Dec 2008 I had foot surgery and was sedentary from Dec through May 1, so I imagine my whole body's muscles have increased from that immobile time, but it just seems scientifically confusing to me. I can't imagine I've gained 9 pounds of muscle....
You don't need to mention to ignore the scale. I know that. I am just curious, how I can keep losing inches without losing pounds??
OPT for Fatloss: Week 8 END-RESULTS: June 29, 2009
Actual weekly calorie average 1461cal (goal cal 1100-1200)
Actual 7-week’s calorie average = 1345cal
Week's GWF deficit 4072cal. (my LOWEST week's deficit)
Should have equaled 1 lb loss this week....
5 weeks' total GWF deficit: 44,541 or 12.7 lbs in theory
172.2 lbs current, 175.6lbs begin (only -3.4 lbs scale loss in 8 wks)
Up .4 lbs again from last week on a 4000 cal deficit... Booo!!
(I "gained .8 lbs" in past 2 weeks)
I lost 2" this week: .............................. ..Total Measurements...5/4…...6/29.... .change.. (from last wk)
Bust...........41.....40.0...= -1.0"....(-0.5” from last wk)
Ribcage .......37.5...36.0...= -1.5” ...(+0.5” from last wk)
waist..........40.....37.5...= -2.5"....(-0.5” from last wk)
stomach........44.5...39.0 ..= -5.5"....(-1.5” from last wk)
hips...........47.....45.0...= -2.0"....(-0.0” from last wk)
thigh..........24.5...24.....= -0.5".....(same as last wk) Total inches lost = 13" ... down -2" this week!!
thanks,
You aren't gaining muscle on the big deficit that OPT calls for. I have lost inches but not scale weight in the past but not sure what accounts for tha. Maybe Leigh can explain what is going on in the body when this happens?
Scary as it is to not see the scale move in my case it is a great thing. I know it is hard to believe but you can lose inches and bf% without losing lbs. Ideally I would do it all the way to 10% bf in fact. Congratulations on finding the very best sort of dieting you can do...
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Scary as it is to not see the scale move in my case it is a great thing. I know it is hard to believe but you can lose inches and bf% without losing lbs. Ideally I would do it all the way to 10% bf in fact. Congratulations on finding the very best sort of dieting you can do...
what a wonderful way of looking at it!!! If I'm losing inches but not pounds, then I must be gaining some muscle! Funny that we just don't think in those terms at all!
I just don't know how you could be gaining LBM on such a caloric deficit????
This is my theory:
I think it's because my muscles atropied when I stopped moving. Last year I did Turbulence Training for about 12 weeks, then REPAIR, then OneBigMeal, all with some bodyweight and dumbbells, and I wasn't muscled, but I did have some umm tone (I know you all hate that word)... anyway, I had some strength to my body.
Then from Dec 10 to May 1, I did really nothing. My butt got wide, my thighs got weak going up and down stairs, my arms got weak, my back got weak.... first I lost about 5 lbs the first month on meds, then, eating 'at maintenance' I gained about 5 lbs. I didn't/couldn't get upstair to the scale, but first my pants got loose and then they got back to how they had been or a bit tighter. That may have been muscle turning into fat, losing some fat, and then gaining back some fat instead of the lost muscle-tone. So it makes some sense to me, not that I gained big biceps or anything, but just that the general muscles in my body, the past 8 weeks, have regained their robustness.
But at some point, since I don't tend to gain muscle easily, at some point the water retention should be at its max, and my caloric deficit and inches lost should turn into pounds lost too... I would even imagine that the inch lost would start to slow down and the fat pounds lost should be faster, since it's easier to lose fat than gain muscle...
But when? 8 weeks? 12 weeks? I find it very curious that even on 1200 cal average the scale doesn't move.
leighpeele.com has a terrific blog on this topic today or yesterday... but she doesn't address when the balance starts moving the scale down faster than the muscle build.
MissJane,
You burst the bubble on Karla's idea that I'm building muscle, since my deficit is probably way too low, even if I am eating such great protein.
She didn't burst the bubble.... She just has a question about how it is possible. I think it is possible. If you are losing inches, I say who the hell cares what the scale says? I mean really? So what if you are just bloated with water and not really gaining LBM per say? The big deal is that you are not gaining fat AND you are losing inches. That is "da Munney!" I am currently on a quest to lose only inches and no scale weight at all. In the past four months I have lost only 5-6 lbs of scale weight but I went from flabby to visable abs. While it freaks my head out to no end to see nothing on the scale I have to admit that it's pretty danged cool now.
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She didn't burst the bubble.... She just has a question about how it is possible. I think it is possible. If you are losing inches, I say who the hell cares what the scale says? I mean really? It's pretty danged cool actually.
Yes!!! I love how you affirm this and remind us of this! It perhaps is a new concept to most of us. I'd much rather lose what I did lose:
5.5" in my stomach, and
1.5" in my ribcage
1.5" in my waist
2" in my hips
... in 8 weeks, than lose the 8-12 pounds that was my goal.
It's just new to me to think that they don't go hand in hand...
Edited to add looks like I was posting at the same time as everybody else. Looks like we have similiar theories. Interesting discussion.
Etana was laid up for quite a while what with her surgery and shoulder injury and is only recently getting back to her usual exercise routines. Could it be that she's back to that newbie effect where you can gain muscle and lose fat while in a deficit? I know muscle memory is supposed to kick in again but she was off for several months.
I know that with patients I've seen over the years it often seems that if there has been muscle wasting or loss of strength because of an injury and the person is now rehabbing the gains are very fast initially as they are building back up to their pre-injured state. Then any progress with strength and muscle gain slows back down again. Not sure if that even applies here but I do see similiarities.
Another explanation would be that she is experiencing primarily fat loss but it's masked by water retention. She may be sensitive to training and since she's coming back after a layoff it's a little more pronounced?
Who knows? Just throwing out some speculations here pretty much off the top of my head. I'm no expert. It's interesting though.
Edited to add looks like I was posting at the same time as everybody else. Looks like we have similiar theories. Interesting discussion.
Etana was laid up for quite a while what with her surgery and shoulder injury and is only recently getting back to her usual exercise routines. Could it be that she's back to that newbie effect where you can gain muscle and lose fat while in a deficit? I know muscle memory is supposed to kick in again but she was off for several months.
I know that with patients I've seen over the years it often seems that if there has been muscle wasting or loss of strength because of an injury and the person is now rehabbing the gains are very fast initially as they are building back up to their pre-injured state. Then any progress with strength and muscle gain slows back down again. Not sure if that even applies here but I do see similiarities.
Another explanation would be that she is experiencing primarily fat loss but it's masked by water retention. She may be sensitive to training and since she's coming back after a layoff it's a little more pronounced?
Who knows? Just throwing out some speculations here pretty much off the top of my head. I'm no expert. It's interesting though.
But Leigh talked about a couple of weeks of water retention. I do have water retention, but I am not swollen or bloated. One would think at some point the water retention would max out, espec since my starchy carbs are basically corn on the cob and 35g banana and broccoli during the summer... maybe 1/2C rice once a week...
At least I've shifted from upset and disappointed to curious and content.
But Leigh talked about a couple of weeks of water retention. I do have water retention, but I am not swollen or bloated. One would think at some point the water retention would max out, espec since my starchy carbs are basically corn on the cob and 35g banana and broccoli during the summer... maybe 1/2C rice once a week...
At least I've shifted from upset and disappointed to curious and content.
I puzzle that one myself as I've always associated fast short term gains/losses with water retention. I think somewhere Lyle McDonald said that water weight could mask fat loss for something like 10 weeks though before you'd see it on the scale. I don't remember the details. I'll have to see if I can find the post or article where he said that but won't be till later tonight. I want to get some yardwork done before dinner.
The rate of loss is not the important factor as much as charting overtime. Different bodies and deficit levels function different ways. Again, the constant focus on assuming your measurements are right in the first place is the downfall in this discussion in my opinion.
To write something like "from last week on a 4000 cal deficit... Booo!!" is putting to much faith of flimsy numbers. You are losing inches and charting downward overall. It is highly likely that you are storing some water, and you can refer to my follow up post today on my blog if desire for what you could do to test a whoosh out.
Get yo whoosh on
As for it being possible to accumulate mass in such a harsh deficit, well again we don't know what level of deficit it is to begin with. Next, if you are training in ways that are new to you or progressively pushing forward it is very possible to gain slight mass and at least, and more likely, possible to pull in extra glycogen.
I get the curiosity, and if you want to play around with water manipulations on smart levels, feel free. That being said, at this time with everything charting positive and the fact that you are losing inches and not much scale weight, that again points to the fact that your deficit may not be as large as you think it is.
It could be that age/conditioning/hormones are more of a factor for you and you could be off by 100-200 here or there. It could be because you are in good shape as well, not necessarily bad.
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well again we don't know what level of deficit it is to begin with. ... snip ... Again, the constant focus on assuming your measurements are right in the first place is the downfall in this discussion in my opinion. ...
.... That being said, at this time with everything charting positive and the fact that you are losing inches and not much scale weight, that again points to the fact that your deficit may not be as large as you think it is.
The reason this concept (that I am not in as much as a deficit as I think) bothers me so much, is that if I calculated that I have had a 44,541 cal deficit in 8 weeks... well say I am 50% off, it would still be a 22,250cal deficit, which would be a 6.35 lb weight loss, when I'm fluctuating on the scale showing 1 lb -3.5 lbs loss depending on the day. So Leigh, do you think I am 75% off my calculations?
One day of 2000 cal, and the scale is up 4 pounds (not fat, I know, but still the upward fluctuation is very immediate and large)
Now, since I am weighing all food (not counting points or eyeballing or measuring), AND since I am using the GoWear Fit, and since 75%+ of my food is 1-ingredient foods, my guess is that I am 10%-15% off. But let's say I am 25% off... That would be a deficit of 33,405 cal deficit in 8 weeks or 9.54 lbs, or a pound a week.
Time will tell, because the next 8 weeks, I won't be gaining muscle (due to continued deficit, I hope to maintain muscle, but not gain muscle), and the water retention should be stabilized. So I am assuming that if I continue the 800cal/day deficit, even subtracting 20% for daily error, I should lose a pound a week. So time will tell...
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The rate of loss is not the important factor as much as charting overtime. Different bodies and deficit levels function different ways.
Hopefully, this is the take home point.. the trend over time.
The reason I say I am curious: I do not think the slow losers here are meauring badly, while the fast losers who lose a steady 1-2 lbs per week are measuring correctly. I think there is more to the story than that. Because we have all seen Leigh's video, listened to her podcasts until they're imprinted in our brain, fed up with dieting already, and almost bringing our scales to restaurants with us.
I do believe in the ultimate simplicity of eat less, & move more. And again I am in the optimistic stance that the next 8 weeks I will see my one pound per week over time trend. But just as I am optimistic, I am also scared and pessimistic based on the past.
OPT for Fatloss I ends July 26.
1 refeed week
OPT for Fatloss II ends October 25
My planned deficit should show a 15-21 lb weight loss in the next 15 weeks' deficit, and a beautiful line graph, and even more beautiful physique!
NOTE: after I lowered my calories 3 weeks ago to 1100-1200 (from 1350), I saw a scale drop the first week, and then a .4 lb gain each of the next 2 weeks. Now in the 4th week at 1100-1200 cal, I feel my energy level dropping from the low deficit, so I can only assume, that unless I pull my NEAT back up, there is no point to dropping the calories to this level.
... And the question for this thread still is, how can one show inches lost without showing pounds lost... Leigh, your answer seems to be "because your measurements (food in, energy out) are miscalculated. I could understand that if there were no inches lost, but not when 3-5" are lost in one area. I don't understand the science of it.
Wow, I don't know what to say, but Etana, that was such an interesting post to read.
I feel like I need to cheer you on or something.
There are obviously other factors at work here, besides of the possibility of incorrect tracking.
I haven't checked your food log, but is there a chance that your body reacts somehow to something you eat? Do you take medications?
Even with medications I would assume if the in is less than the out you wouldn't gain, I don't know though.
I had a very small loss this past week, waiting on a whoosh. I still have a downward trend though.
I'm fine. I still like my theory, that if my deficit said 12 lbs lost, it is masked in:
A. 3-4 lbs water retention
B. 3-4 lbs muscle gain in 8 weeks: Theory: I gained about 1/2lb of muscle/ week the past 8 weeks after my immobility from surgery recovery... My body was so weak and achy and now it feels so strong and energized. When I went back to Jazzercise and sprained my back from the stretching and reaching, I realized how my every single muscle had atrophied in the 5 weeks post op, not just the ones we target with weight machines.
C. 3.5 pounds fat loss
D. 2-4 pounds not lost due to miscalculations of GWF and food imperfect measurements
This makes some sense to me.. and I look forward to the next 14 weeks of end of this OPT, refeed , and another 12 week OPT cycle which should show some lovely fat loss to prove my theory
But my eyes do stare at your 10 lb loss this 1 month!!!
I can't help but wonder what role Cortisol is playing here. And in fact, what affect it may (or more importantly may not) have on the GWF readings and calculations. I read your words that you are okay with this, just following the program, feeling motivated, etc...but I sense the opposite. That you are deep down worrying and more than a little stressed by all this. Add in the increased strength training which you have said at 3-4 times a week feels too much for your body, much lower deficit while heavily increased training, and it sounds to me like a Cortisol breeding ground.
And that is the piece that I'm suspecting GWF cannot account for. Looking at my own readings and recent stall....in the three weeks prior to this rest/recovery break, I averaged 650 per day calorie deficit - so should have lost 3.5 or so lbs in those 3 weeks. I was doing that RTP program which is fairly intense, plus the 5k running training program (not to mention my sessions with my trainer, which while they replaced an RTP workout, are very intense). Suddenly I went from a consistent 1 - 1.5lb per week loss to basically nothing....ups and downs each day, but no real downward change of the trend line, just held steady. I know from a variety of symptoms outside just the weight stall (lack of sleep, trouble getting through workouts, fewer NEAT related spikes on the graphs) that I was stressed. But GWF showed my normal burn amounts, and the above mentioned deficit. So something was casuing me not to lose weight, and that something was probably Cortisol (IMO)
Maybe Leigh was right when she suggested you back off a bit from the workouts, and focus on deficit, NEAT, sleep, recovery, long walks etc. I know you want to build muscles and strength now....but is that your real goal? Or right now, in this moment, is your real goal fat loss. Chill a bit, give your body a break, stop stressing over all the factors, the should I stop eating this or that, just design a good deficit menu that you enjoy. Include that bit of chocolate in your plans as a reward, make the best of the food choices. Take those nice long relaxing walks, maybe do one or two jazzercise sessions a week because you seem to really love them....but that's it.
Just my opinion, and what do I know.......but I do continue to sense such frustrations on your part, and so want you to succeed, so had to throw in my 2cents.
Etana that calorie level sounds so low for you at your current weight and activity level. That is my dieting calorie level and I am a good deal smaller than you by about 50 lbs (hope that doesn't sound snarky, just stating a fact). My activity level is about the same as you. So I can't help by wonder if you are not eating enough? I know it sounds wrong and from a physiological standpoint shouldn't work like that yet I have seen it over and over again with people especially those who have more than just 10 lbs to lose.
Etana that calorie level sounds so low for you at your current weight and activity level. That is my dieting calorie level and I am a good deal smaller than you by about 50 lbs (hope that doesn't sound snarky, just stating a fact). My activity level is about the same as you. So I can't help by wonder if you are not eating enough? I know it sounds wrong and from a physiological standpoint shouldn't work like that yet I have seen it over and over again with people especially those who have more than just 10 lbs to lose.
Leigh suggested in a PM that I try 1100-1200 cal for a while. And I'm in weeks 9-12 of OPT where the calories are the lowest. I'll keep this level during this rest week, and then decide about next week. Probably I'll aim more for the 1200 than the 1100 next week. If my NEAT continues to decrease, I'll have to increase the cal.
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Etana, I can't help but wonder what role Cortisol is playing here. And in fact, what affect it may (or more importantly may not) have on the GWF readings and calculations. I read your words that you are okay with this, just following the program, feeling motivated, etc...but I sense the opposite. That you are deep down worrying and more than a little stressed by all this. .
I am both okay, due to a good inches loss in all areas, and stessed due to not feeling I have control over results of scale loss. I mostly feel patient to see how the full 12 weeks of OPT goes, and then see what change needs to happen. I do look different in the mirror (better than 8 weeks ago in ribcage, stomach, hips)
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Add in the increased strength training which you have said at 3-4 times a week feels too much for your body, much lower deficit while heavily increased training, and it sounds to me like a Cortisol breeding ground.
And that is the piece that I'm suspecting GWF cannot account for. Looking at my own readings and recent stall....in the three weeks prior to this rest/recovery break, I averaged 650 per day calorie deficit - so should have lost 3.5 or so lbs in those 3 weeks. I was doing that RTP program which is fairly intense, plus the 5k running training program (not to mention my sessions with my trainer, which while they replaced an RTP workout, are very intense). Suddenly I went from a consistent 1 - 1.5lb per week loss to basically nothing....ups and downs each day, but no real downward change of the trend line, just held steady. I know from a variety of symptoms outside just the weight stall (lack of sleep, trouble getting through workouts, fewer NEAT related spikes on the graphs) that I was stressed. But GWF showed my normal burn amounts, and the above mentioned deficit. So something was casuing me not to lose weight, and that something was probably Cortisol (IMO)
Maybe Leigh was right when she suggested you back off a bit from the workouts, and focus on deficit, NEAT, sleep, recovery, long walks etc..
I did drop my exercise last week to 2 cardio and 2 resistance, and this week is a rest week. I don't know anything about Cortisol.
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I know you want to build muscles and strength now....but is that your real goal? Or right now, in this moment, is your real goal fat loss.
Yes, I think my goal for the first 8 weeks was to build some muscle because my body was so atrophied from post surgery months of inactivity. So I am okay with that. Like Stingo or Karla said, if I lost inches and actually gained muscle while in a deficit, I should be proud of my success!
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Chill a bit, give your body a break, stop stressing over all the factors, the should I stop eating this or that, just design a good deficit menu that you enjoy. Include that bit of chocolate in your plans as a reward, make the best of the food choices. Take those nice long relaxing walks, maybe do one or two jazzercise sessions a week because you seem to really love them....but that's it.
Just my opinion, and what do I know.......but I do continue to sense such frustrations on your part, and so want you to succeed, so had to throw in my 2cents.
Thanks... I believe I'll finish OPT as written, but at a nice moderate level, not trying for any gold medals.
The uncertainty I feel is different from any past diet. This time I have measurements, food weighed, body inches, energy burned. It may be only 80% accurate, but it is still math not emotions. If I eat 2500 cal at a potluck, I did not destroy the week or the whole diet. I just have to catch up the calorie deficit the rest of the week with more NEAT and some lower cal days. This removes a HUGE burden and feeling of failure.
If the inches weren't gone, I would be very upset. Now I am more confused than upset, and curious to see what the next 8 weeks bring.
Maybe I shouldn't be thinking out loud in this public forum. But I think I am not the only one who is not cheating and still does not lose scale weight at a steady even clip. So I thought it would be worth documenting.
I have stated that your results could both be cloaked or that it is possible that you are not burning as many calories as you think you are in a given day for whatever reason (healthy, performance, hormones, etc)
You are having results that can go either way very easily.
I suggested a long time ago if there is a continued issue that you may need to break, take some time off and then to perhaps diet down just utilizing daily activity for a while to see if the training was too much.
OPT isn't a baby walk program. It isn't overly intense and beat you up stupid, no. It is a progressive overload program. For some it may make things more cloaked or difficult. That is always a possibility.
I have never made any absolute statements about the situation and I still don't understand what needs to be so investigated.
If you weren't having any results I would understand but you keep trending downwards and have lost inches. I told you how I feel you could get more dramatic results if desired and also pointed you to a way you could manipulate water to see if you could produce a "whoosh" effect if so desired.
I think at this point if you keep doing what you have been doing you are going to keep getting the same rate of loss. I don't think it is going to change. Knowing this either hang on for the ride or migrate to something you feel will encourage you more.
You say it isn't emotional, but you have been posting about it for weeks. I have had to answer the same questions over and over again. Thats okay but it doesn't seem like to me that you are getting anywhere.
So I think you either need to keep on course with the clear results you are getting or pick another avenue to test if you feel that this is too slow for you to stay put. I don't say this in a mean way, I think results are very important to the mental aspect of dieting down.
You have tons of options to choose from so maybe it is a self talk time to figure out what you want to do.
maybe it is a self talk time to figure out what you want to do.
As I said, I was mostly thinking out loud. Perhaps I shouldn't have been.
I am pleased with my results. Your 2 articles on leighpeele.com talk more about not basing results on the scale.
I am analytical. I am investigating because I am not dropping scale weight; wouldn't you be investigating too? This is the culmination of many many diets I went on and possibly quit too soon, because I didn't take body measurements.
There is the longing for that nice sloping linegraph, of course.
I don't mean to be bothering you. I didn't really have any questions here for you to answer...
I just think this discussion got way off track from emoore's original question which was about her making weight for a boxing weight class in September given the no pounds change that she is currently experiencing.
Getting smaller, getting leaner, getting firmer, but not losing weight.
, and another 12 week OPT cycle which should show some lovely fat loss to prove my theory 
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