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Old 06-06-2009, 12:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This is going to sound like a strange question, but Ive thought about this before and I am looking to see if anyone has any experience with this.

Is there a connection with female ovarian cysts and/or hormonal issues and high intensity exercise.?

About 3 years ago, I had developed a cyst, and it was during a period of time where I had alot of stress, sleepless nights, and also was working out very hard, teaching about 7-8 spinning classes a week. Those of you who have taken spinning know its quite a challenging, high heart rate activity and can be rather stressful on the body.

Well, here I am 3 years later, with a 21 month old who doesnt sleep, and also teaching 6 classes per week, and I feel symptoms of the cyst coming on again.

Any thoughts? Or just a coincidence....
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Scribess says she can't do HIIT because it worsens her Amenorrhoea, so I imagine other hormonal effects are also possible? Also, a lot of stress + loss of sleep + extreme exertion = not good for your immune system either!
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Yeah aggressive intervals and stress can cause these things, even without a deficit.

In short, knock it off, take care of yourself better, and where you can chill on training, do so.
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I should clarify--I never got into a true HIIT program (did two sessions) because I read Leigh's stuff about HIIT contributing to/worsening amenorrhea. Since I've had problems with amenorrhea before, without adding HIIT into the mix, I figured it probably isn't the best idea for me.

Not to say I won't consider trying it in the future when I'm sure my hormone levels are where they should be and have been stable for a while--BUT now I would know what to watch for in case I'd need to back off, and I don't think I'll ever try it while I'm in a deficit.
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I should clarify--I never got into a true HIIT program (did two sessions) because I read Leigh's stuff about HIIT contributing to/worsening amenorrhea. Since I've had problems with amenorrhea before, without adding HIIT into the mix, I figured it probably isn't the best idea for me.

Not to say I won't consider trying it in the future when I'm sure my hormone levels are where they should be and have been stable for a while--BUT now I would know what to watch for in case I'd need to back off, and I don't think I'll ever try it while I'm in a deficit.
Where is it written in Leigh's books? I have most of her stuff I believe, the entire FLTS and the revised version. Id like to revisit it.
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Where is it written in Leigh's books? I have most of her stuff I believe, the entire FLTS and the revised version. Id like to revisit it.
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Honestly I'm not 100% sure. It may've been in one of her podcasts where she specifically mentioned HIIT's effects on (some) women. But in terms of her books, I'd recommend looking in MRM chapter 8, "Sexy Hormones." I know that mentiones amenorrhea. It could also be mentioned somewhere where she talks about rest (tidbits about rest popped out at me since I don't sleep too well on average) so you could try doing a search for "rest" as well, in both FLTS and MRM.

Also try a search for "New Rules" because I think she does mention that though NROL and NROL4W are both good programs, some women's bodies just can't take that type of interval training.
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I am glad I am not the only one who reads or hears something, then can't remember where it was!!!
My dilemma is that I thought I had read somewhere that Leigh did not recommend HIIT for those with or recovering from an eating disorder. I thought she said she liked to see them utilizing more of the steady state type cardio, like taking long walks. But I can't seem to find that specific thread and I have not been able to fine tooth comb my FLTS!!
I just do my walks with nothing too aggresive and just wanted to reassure myself that I was doing right.
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I have no idea if I actually heard this somewhere, from Leigh or otherwise, but I think it makes sense for ED recoverees to avoid HIIT, if only because it seems like it could easily feed into the negative mindset. Then there's the fact that high intensity work, albeit "short term," is still a stress on an over-stressed body.

And this is sort of off-topic, but I just finished listening to the audio version of Leigh's new "Ask Leigh" book. I know she talks about having people think back to when they were successful with fat loss and remember what worked for them. My most successful term of fat loss was when I lived in Chicago and had no car. My only official exercise was at Curves, so that was low-grade stuff, really. Aside from that, I walked and took the stairs (had a job on the fourth floor of a building). I'd never heard of HIIT or afterburn effects or anything like that. My weight loss was consistently 2 lbs/week, so that seems to indicate to me that my body likes lower-grade stuff, just a lot of it.
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