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Old 03-15-2009, 09:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Leigh,

just wondering if you would share your thoughts about this.

basically, i was looking to see if i could find any studies indicating that binge eating can lead to issues/symptoms similar to those associated with the diagnosis of PCOS.

this is a study i found:
http://diss.kib.ki.se/2006/91-7357-003-6/thesis.pdf

i found my answer on pg 43 where it says that: women with bulemia have "increased symptoms of hyperandrogenism like PCOS"(pg43), but that "some endocrine changes associated with PCOS, such as insulin resistance, hyperinsulinemia and increased LH/FSH-ratio, were not present in the oligo-/amenorrheic bulimics"(pg43).

i would pressume the the same could be said of women with binge eating disorder as for bulimic women.(please correct me if this assumption is WAY off.)
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Old 03-15-2009, 10:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Overfeeding after a chronic underfeeding will do wacky things to several hormonal loops, mainly regulated via dopamine and the leptin cascade.

The bad news is that virtually everything is linked to those pathways. I wouldn't be surprised if everything from mood to energy level to thyroid activity and androgen levels were messed with from that pattern.
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Overfeeding after a chronic underfeeding will do wacky things to several hormonal loops, mainly regulated via dopamine and the leptin cascade.

The bad news is that virtually everything is linked to those pathways. I wouldn't be surprised if everything from mood to energy level to thyroid activity and androgen levels were messed with from that pattern.

what would you categorize as chronic underfeeding? extended or continual bouts of dieting? or would dieting at low low caloric levels (7-8xbw) also qualify?
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Well, since we're talking disordered eating, I'd assume extended periods of very low intake.

But remember this is coming right off the cuff; I don't have any actual numbers or data to be more specific. Saying that it would do something bad, sure, but I can't say more than that w/o burying myself in the journal database and I'm way too tired for that at the moment.
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Leigh,

just wondering if you would share your thoughts about this.

basically, i was looking to see if i could find any studies indicating that binge eating can lead to issues/symptoms similar to those associated with the diagnosis of PCOS.

this is a study i found:
http://diss.kib.ki.se/2006/91-7357-003-6/thesis.pdf

i found my answer on pg 43 where it says that: women with bulemia have "increased symptoms of hyperandrogenism like PCOS"(pg43), but that "some endocrine changes associated with PCOS, such as insulin resistance, hyperinsulinemia and increased LH/FSH-ratio, were not present in the oligo-/amenorrheic bulimics"(pg43).

i would pressume the the same could be said of women with binge eating disorder as for bulimic women.(please correct me if this assumption is WAY off.)
Binge eating and bulimia are not the same, bulimia is far more aggressive. Starve and feed doesn't do nearly the same as binge and purge to the body.

Yes, period of aggressive low eating would affect you, but in what way are you wanting to know that it effects you because the list is long. Also the intensity, length of time, etc effects how bad. 8xbw isnt going to do near what 4xbw will and so on.

My point being, are you trying to get at with your question? You have PCOS correct?
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Binge eating and bulimia are not the same, bulimia is far more aggressive. Starve and feed doesn't do nearly the same as binge and purge to the body.

Yes, period of aggressive low eating would affect you, but in what way are you wanting to know that it effects you because the list is long. Also the intensity, length of time, etc effects how bad. 8xbw isnt going to do near what 4xbw will and so on.

My point being, are you trying to get at with your question? You have PCOS correct?

i have multiple cysts on my ovaries and my LH:FSH ratio is 3-4:1 which is consistent with PCOS. these, along with an absent period, are the only "symptoms" of PCOS that i have: my testosterone is not elevated, i don't have insulin resistance.

looking back at my journals, i noted that i menstruated without medical assistance twice since my diagnosis in 2005. both these times happen to fall in line with times wherein i had not binged for 2-3months, was ONLY walking for exercise, and was following weight watchers flex point program (lower fat, moderate protein, higher carb, approximately 1300-1500calories a day).

i've been looking to see if i could find studies that support what i experienced - that binge eating directly negatively impacts menstrual cycle.

i'll pm'd you more details about this.
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This is an interesting topic. I dont know too much about it, but I can tell you from experience that when my binge eating was at its worst, esp when it was high sugary binges, I had very irregular periods and I developed a large cyst on my fallopian tube. This was also during a very high stress period during my life.

Now i am binge free, low stress levels and I have very regualar menstrual cycle. I also think having the baby helped my become more regular, something hormonal.

I would believe that the swings in insulin due to the binges would interfere with the other hormonal systems in teh body, including the sex hormones estrogen and progesterone, and even testosterone. Our body is like a seesaw, and when one thing goes out of wack, it throws other things off too.
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The problems w/ hormonal regulation all occur in the brain. Insulin's just symptomatic.

But yes, the brain does integrate a lot of signals in managing the body's overall condition.
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A very interesting topic as I am or have been a binge eater.. still have a bottomless pit when I allow myself to eat lots , esp. foods I'm intolerant to (gluten, dairy esp cheese) AND have had very long cycles in the past.

The totally interesting and telling experience was that when I spent TWELVE months cycle-touring in Northern America (US, Can, Mexico, Cuba) the cycle regulated after 3 months and since then I've had the joy of having perfectly regular cycles of 29 days.

Moderate exercise will make you more insulin sensitive, provided carb intake isn't totally over the top.

Since the last 3 years however, the cycle has become more irregular again,which may be both due to age (am 45 now) as well as manipulating calories & carbs in a more extreme way.
It's very difficult to say what exactly causes what but it is quite consistent that on too low calories , ovulation will be delayed. Some women happen to be more sensitive to those changes and it seems for me that even just 3 days in a row of low calories (1200ish) can have that effect.
Fortunately I'm paying attention to my body and it signals me to overeat at around the time I'm supposed to ovulate.. so .. I obey. And.. with enough calories/carbs, it ovulates. If not.. it will last a few more days.

Just the way it goes .. for me. Not every woman is hell-bent on having regular cycles, but that's how I'm manipulating it: not letting calories go too low for too long and bumping up carbs/calories to help it going.

YMMV. Esp since you are younger and more PCOS-y than I am now.
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PCOS-y? Big difference between various stages and types of anemorrhea and PCOS.
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But we were both diagnosed with PCOS, with mine barely existing after awhile and hers being present full roar, no?
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But we were both diagnosed with PCOS, with mine barely existing after awhile and hers being present full roar, no?
no, not "full roar" - not in my opinion anyway

i don't menstruate, BUT i'm not insulin resistant and i don't have elevated testosterone levels either.

to me, this is not "full roar"
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