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a couple of things I have noted are; it is very movement sensitive so I have to subtract roughly 100 calories for every hour I do driving secondly I am not sure how accurate it is for more intense exercise as it has me burning more calories walking at a fast but easy pace downhill than on a very steep, but slower pace uphill. ie movement appears more important than effort, but I may be wrong in this perception. For passive stuff sitting and sleeping it had me burning0.8-1 cal per minute which seems fine. Finally if for nothing else it has totally opened my eyes about NEAT, and is worth it just for that I can easily see if I just sat on my butt all day I would burn around 1600 cals.
I know that the reading can be off for intense activity and cycling, but I was more curious about how accurate it is at calculating TEE.
For instance, if you have two people and one has been a chronic dieter (has metabolic damage) and the other hasn't, we will pretend that they are both the same weight, height, activity, etc.,
will the GoWearFit pick up the reduced RMR of the dieter or does it calculate based on a general equation for someone with that height, age, weight and gender?
I know that the reading can be off for intense activity and cycling, but I was more curious about how accurate it is at calculating TEE.
For instance, if you have two people and one has been a chronic dieter (has metabolic damage) and the other hasn't, we will pretend that they are both the same weight, height, activity, etc.,
will the GoWearFit pick up the reduced RMR of the dieter or does it calculate based on a general equation for someone with that height, age, weight and gender?
Great question, which I have been wondering myself I have had a deficit of 500-700 cals per day for last three weeks with GWF and have not lost any fat.
What has your intake and expenditure been on average?
daily average out = 2172
daily average intake 1457 (been zigzagging cals)
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Have you had your thyroid checked?
Free T3 is lowish but have lumps on my thyroid I am getting checked out.
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Have you taken your basal body temperature first thing in the morning to see if you have a drop?
I noticed that the two weeks I ate 1200 my temp dropped below 36°C so then I decided maybe my minimum should be 1300 this past month and my temp, though lwoish has been above 36°C.
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How many times did you do the MRM and what were you doing prior?
did Metrepair once and had just finished a marathon before on lowish cals. have tried loads of thins in the past.
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Are you weighing and measuring? I'm pretty sure that is a given
yep
I have a couple of other threads here and the consensus is I just need to be patient, and as I am already leanish may only see a pound or so drop on the scale per month . thanks for your questions any insight is welcome.
I would have to agree. You are already very lean and your body just may not want to go any lower right now from all the dieting. Maybe, you are pushing your "setpoint"?
I am not sure if setpoint really exists?
The other issue may be your thyroid.
Do you have any other symptoms of hypothyroid?
I guess I would suggest trying to work with the body you have instead of against it. I understand your goals but at the same time your body may just need to be fed and rested d/t the years of undereating/overexercising.
I had to come to terms when I re-fed my body that I was going to put on some weight but now I am healthier and my metabolism is thanking me and I am finally getting leaner without suffering.
I used to identify so much with how much I weighed and when I realized I was using my body as my scapegoat for my emotions, it was much easier to get to a healthier place.
I am not saying you have these issues/thoughts, but it may be good for you to give yourself a real break, maybe, go through the repair again and not focus on the scale but focus on healing yourself and developing a loving relationship with your body.
I'm sorry if I sound corny, but it seems to me that you have two choices. You can continue to struggle, fight your body and be frusturated and hungry or you can take a real break, get your system healthy and then come back better than ever (and maybe even not have to starve)
Just a thought, you are not your body and nothing in your life is going to change drastically whether you are 15% or 25% bodyfat, you are still just as lovable, amazing, successful, etc, etc, etc...
I would have to agree. You are already very lean and your body just may not want to go any lower right now from all the dieting. Maybe, you are pushing your "setpoint"?
I am not sure if setpoint really exists?
The other issue may be your thyroid.
Do you have any other symptoms of hypothyroid?
I guess I would suggest trying to work with the body you have instead of against it. I understand your goals but at the same time your body may just need to be fed and rested d/t the years of undereating/overexercising.
I had to come to terms when I re-fed my body that I was going to put on some weight but now I am healthier and my metabolism is thanking me and I am finally getting leaner without suffering.
I used to identify so much with how much I weighed and when I realized I was using my body as my scapegoat for my emotions, it was much easier to get to a healthier place.
I am not saying you have these issues/thoughts, but it may be good for you to give yourself a real break, maybe, go through the repair again and not focus on the scale but focus on healing yourself and developing a loving relationship with your body.
I'm sorry if I sound corny, but it seems to me that you have two choices. You can continue to struggle, fight your body and be frusturated and hungry or you can take a real break, get your system healthy and then come back better than ever (and maybe even not have to starve)
Just a thought, you are not your body and nothing in your life is going to change drastically whether you are 15% or 25% bodyfat, you are still just as lovable, amazing, successful, etc, etc, etc...
Hi there, thanks so much for your reply. I have thought of letting it drop for a while but actually all I want now is to get back to my premetrepair weight which I had managed to maintain for the previous 2.5 years. I have let go of getting lower than that. It really shouldn't be that hard to drop the fat I gained during the metrepair, I don't think don't worry, yes I am very frustrated and it comes across on a thread but it is by no means the most important thing about my existance I am six weeks into the cut, I think I will give it two to three more months and if I see no pogress I will quit for a while
yes I have other hypothyroid symptoms but nothing that shows on a blood test, but getting the lumps checked can eliminate this query, at least.
also I am so sorry your thread got a little derailed.
I am still confused about the GWF. I was reading some of the questions and answers on the BodyBugg site and one of the coaches answered a lady who had a question about the accuracy of the metabolism measurement. He said that is was based on a formula and then they add about 200 for TEF and then another 200 for activity beyond sleeping. So, if you did nothing all day it would give you the calculated avg burn for BMR plus the TEF and sedentary activity, then, whatever activity you do on top of that is added (NEAT etc).
So, to me, this means that if your metabolism is sluggish, the device will not pick it up bc it isn't really "measuring" that, per se.
I hope Leigh will chime in on this bc that would definitely explain how you had your "calculated deficit" but did not experience the actual loss you should have.
I am a sucker for numbers and exact science. I guess I was thinking that the GWF was my answer to that but I may have been wrong
You're screwed if you're looking for exact numbers here.
The calorie listing on foods is approximate and rounded.
The calculators that tell you how much you need are approximate.
Your idea of your bf%, no matter how "accurate" system used, is approximate.
And if everything is approximate, everything could be off in the same direction (as in, more suckage for you).
I know I stated once before (I believe on Lyle's board) that the device picked up on dysfunctional metabolic behavior.I have seen cases where it did. It showed very low readings in comparison to movement and activity. These readings were pretty close to those of a RMR test (done correctly).
I have seen cases where it did not or the results were so off based that water cloaking just wasn't enough of an explanation. That is only in two cases where I 100% trusted the honesty of the logging of food intake. In though cases both the females were diagnosed with Hypo. They saw results and movement take place again when medication was corrected and training ceased during the fat loss phase. After that their results and reading met pretty close to what the Bodybuggs were saying. Two months went by with INCREASE of weight on low calories and trianing. Body fat levels did not seems to change in either direction. Water in and out. Seemed to be a slight decrease in muscle mass, but that is a bit talking out of thought ass, no proof.
I have not had nearly the amount of testing with the GW as with bodybugg. I am doing stuff now, but not near completing things. All I can say is that from basic tests on myself and one other trainee that the GW and Bodybugg landed pretty close within each other on activity levels. The GW seems to rate a little higher, as I have stated before.
Like I have said before about these devices. Do not use them as absolutes. These numbers are NOT the end all answer and can be off. Use them as a gauge for lifestyle and activity management and to help you land in a closer range of caloric need.
When they did pick up on the dysfunctional behavior, how severe? What kind of results, calorie burn wise, did you see with the device. Just curious.
I am suprised and relieved that they are that sensitive. I assumed the "metabolic slowdown" they would pick up would be lack of movement d/t dieting, not actual physiological changes.
Would you mind giving some numbers of examples of a good or normal calorie burn for a certain weight
ex, 120, 130, 140 pounds? Is there a big difference between ppl based on size or is it more activity level
I guess I am concerned bc when i first got it, it told me my burn was 1.2-1.3 cals a minute while resting and sleeping and now it is .9-1, but that dropped even before I started cutting my calories and I haven't been really dieting.
I know Krispy had mentioned that in the beginning it was giving her higher than normal readings and then dropped as she wore it. Is this normal for there to be an adjustment period, so to speak?
Thanks again for your time and thoughts! I really appreciate it. I know I can be a pain with all my questions.
But, not nearly as annoying as that damn point system! Still makes no sense to me.
I had a friend that did WW for 6 months and couldn't understand why she wasn't losing eating a lot of 0 point foods, hmmmm...
Leigh, quick question about GoWearFit
, feel free to link me.
secondly I am not sure how accurate it is for more intense exercise as it has me burning more calories walking at a fast but easy pace downhill than on a very steep, but slower pace uphill. ie movement appears more important than effort, but I may be wrong in this perception. For passive stuff sitting and sleeping it had me burning0.8-1 cal per minute which seems fine. Finally if for nothing else it has totally opened my eyes about NEAT, and is worth it just for that
I can easily see if I just sat on my butt all day I would burn around 1600 cals.
don't worry, yes I am very frustrated and it comes across on a thread but it is by no means the most important thing about my existance 
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