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The benefits of a keto diet are usually in the reduced appetite.
The actual fat loss differences between a plain ol' reduced calorie diet and a keto diet are very slim. What tends to happen is that the keto dieter doesn't want to eat as much, so they don't, and lose more weight.
If you're counting calories, you should lose about the same on either diet.
On the contrary, I found that I trained better on them, both physically and mentally. It simply became impractical for the long haul, though it's always on the radar since my body composition seems to respond very well to CKD.
Most everything said above is true. When it comes to calories-in, calories-out, it's no different than any other kind of caloric restriction. The main pro is that your body is evolved to function and thrive on this type of diet (with some wiggle room). Your training has to reflect that lifestyle, though (endurance work doesn't do so well, but strength and interval training are prime). The main con is a lack of fruits and veggies, so unless you do a really good job of getting your green leafies, you likely have to supplement with a fiber and a "greens" product. The whole thing about the brain requiring carbs to work properly just isn't true. Yes, it takes a couple weeks for your body to embrace the change in energy sources, which is why so many people give up on it, but after a month (likely less), you'll just feel a lot better.
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On the contrary, I found that I trained better on them, both physically and mentally. It simply became impractical for the long haul, though it's always on the radar since my body composition seems to respond very well to CKD.
CKDs are great. I was referring to a straight ketogenic diet...no cycling or targeting carbs in there anywhere. I'd find it difficult to have any real muscle/strength gains on a purely ketogenic diet. Ketogenic diets are pretty catabolic.
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Most everything said above is true. When it comes to calories-in, calories-out, it's no different than any other kind of caloric restriction. The main pro is that your body is evolved to function and thrive on this type of diet (with some wiggle room). Your training has to reflect that lifestyle, though (endurance work doesn't do so well, but strength and interval training are prime). The main con is a lack of fruits and veggies, so unless you do a really good job of getting your green leafies, you likely have to supplement with a fiber and a "greens" product. The whole thing about the brain requiring carbs to work properly just isn't true. Yes, it takes a couple weeks for your body to embrace the change in energy sources, which is why so many people give up on it, but after a month (likely less), you'll just feel a lot better.
My husband does horrible going through ketosis. I almost wanted to divorce him last time he did it. But I can go in and out without an issue. Different people respond differently I guess.
But I like fruit so I don't stick in it for that long.
I found I didn't eat as much on a ketogenic diet because I was too grossed out eating so much meat and dairy! I would probably do as well on a dog poop and spaghetti diet. Probably better .
CKDs are great. I was referring to a straight ketogenic diet...no cycling or targeting carbs in there anywhere. I'd find it difficult to have any real muscle/strength gains on a purely ketogenic diet. Ketogenic diets are pretty catabolic.
They can be catabolic if you don't manage your protein intake pretty rigorously. Too much, and you kick out of keto; too little, and you lose muscle mass. I agree that muscle gains are minimal at best, but strength isn't necessarily limited by this diet, just training methods (CKD usually pairs with fat-loss types of programming, which isn't necessary).
And yes, straight keto is rough. Personally, I respond well to it (or at least to a very limited re-feed), but it's a bear. At least on CKD, I can justify eating a whole loaf of sourdough from the local bakery over a weekend
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My husband does horrible going through ketosis. I almost wanted to divorce him last time he did it. But I can go in and out without an issue. Different people respond differently I guess.
But I like fruit so I don't stick in it for that long.
Fruit's hit-or-miss with me, but don't stand between me and my bread. My first time going on CKD, I decided to also ditch caffeine. Worst. Week. Ever. Glad I had an understanding boss who let me just sit at my desk in a daze. I eventually got back on coffee, so life returned.
Bottom line: if it interests you, give it a legitimate shot (say, a month or two). If it doesn't work or you don't like it, try something else. I personally like the see-food diet, but then, I was on that diet the first sixteen years of my life
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I've done best on Keto type diets, mostly due to the loss of appetite. When I do a keto type diet, I usually don't have to count calories and still see a weight loss...so long as I stay away from nuts/cheese.
Recently, I've been trying to count calories and bring back some fruits into my diet and the occasional sweet potatoe/yam....It isn't as easy a keto type diet, but I do like the variety (so long as I'm able to keep a deficiet). But there are days when I can't seem to "get full" and eat too much. This doesn't seem to happen on a keto diet.
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Most GRAINS are grasses....Not trying to be an asses.
please, can we agree that botanical classifications are not necessarily the same as nutritional classifications/usage and neither are identical to common usage?
otherwise we'll get bogged down as to whether peppers are berries or cashews are nuts or tomatoes are vegetables or fruits and what are considered seeds vs. grains
I tend to eat keto whilst dieting, instead of PSMF eating (which really does cripple me).
A TKD (specifically the targeted carbs) lets me train well enough. I won't be rocking out PRs but that's not the point on a diet anyway. I can get a decent workout in, and recover from it, and still drop fat.
Also I get my damn junk food in on the weekends.
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I tend to eat keto whilst dieting, instead of PSMF eating (which really does cripple me).
A TKD (specifically the targeted carbs) lets me train well enough. I won't be rocking out PRs but that's not the point on a diet anyway. I can get a decent workout in, and recover from it, and still drop fat.
Also I get my damn junk food in on the weekends.
Ok what is TKD?
Also, what is the difference between keto and PSMF? I thought the carbs were essentially the same, but PSMF diets are lower in fats and higher in protein?
Also, what is the difference between keto and PSMF? I thought the carbs were essentially the same, but PSMF diets are lower in fats and higher in protein?
TKD = targeted ketogenic diet
carbs are ingested before and after workouts to help with performance
psmf is lean protein, veggies and essential fatty acids - so minimal fat.
keto is carbs below 100g, fat moderate/high, protein moderate
I am personally a big fan of Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale's Anabolic Solution a.k.a. The Anabolic Diet.
It allows you 30 grams of carbs per day, but this can vary from person to person, and it also allows for 48 hr carb refeeds after your body becomes fat adapted.
The AD isn't necessarily a keto diet, but I find myself going into keto from time to time during the week.
My favorite aspect of the AD, besides the carb refeeds, is that I have been able to drop approximately 1.5lbs of fat per week while gaining strength and muscle.
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