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Old 08-29-2008, 11:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Food in Fitday.com

Fitday.com has it's challenges.

STEAMED VEGIES:
When I eat a steamed vegetable, Fitday adds fat but I don't.
But when I enter the cooked vegie as a raw vegie, if the calories are the same the grams are different, and if the grams are the same the calories are different. How would I enter cooked carrots, etc?

FROZEN VS COOKED PROTEIN:
Also, I cook a lot of portion-sized chicken breasts or salmon at a time and freeze it. Am I weighing it raw to enter in fitday. Frozen? cooked/thawed? There's a difference of about .5oz-1oz in a 6oz piece. What would I enter as the weight?

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Old 08-29-2008, 11:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You enter whatever the database you are using is giving a reference value for.

If you can find the reference for cooked, enter your cooked weight. If you can find the reference for raw, enter your raw weight. If you can find both, I like to use raw but sometimes use cooked because it is easier to measure the particular portion just before serving.

If fitday doesn't match what you do - make a custom food.
If you don't have the values for the custom food - if it is a plain food - e.g. just the item, raw or cooked - you can probably find the value at the USDA database
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Etana, you might want to look at another site to track. There are many, most of which are free. Try Calorie Counter, Diet Tracking, Food Journal, Nutrition Facts at The Daily Plate or CalorieKing - Diet and weight loss. Calorie Counter and more. for starters. Fitday just pretty much... blows in terms of user-friendliness.
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Old 08-29-2008, 11:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Pros & cons of Calorie Counter/DailyPlate or CalorieKing

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Etana, you might want to look at another site to track. There are many, most of which are free. Try Calorie Counter, Diet Tracking, Food Journal, Nutrition Facts at The Daily Plate or CalorieKing - Diet and weight loss. Calorie Counter and more. for starters. Fitday just pretty much... blows in terms of user-friendliness.

Very good, thanks.
Pros and cons of each, before I spend time on both myself comparing?

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CalorieKing is not free to track but you can look up nutrition info for almost anything.

I am pretty sure Fitday has a listing for cooked carrots fat not added. Sometimes you have to play around with how you search for things (this is the most un-user friendly aspect of Fitday I find)
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Etana -
Tina is right - there are many other online logging options - and she gives you two good ones. There are also many PC software options that will give you free trial downloads.

What I found when I was looking is that they all are a little different - the way you log your foods (servings or grams or ounces), how you look them up in the database, the way you do custom foods and recipes, the way nutrients are reported and the reports available - they are all very different -
You might like the logging of one but find the reporting lacking but tolerate the logging of another in exchange for reports you really like.

I think the best way to find out what you like and will work for you is to try them for yourself with several different meals or days of food.
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I am pretty sure Fitday has a listing for cooked carrots fat not added. Sometimes you have to play around with how you search for things (this is the most un-user friendly aspect of Fitday I find)
yep, at least the PC version does (carrots, cooked from fresh, fat not added in cooking)

What I've found personally is that if I'm cooking fresh veggies I'll use the raw measured number.
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There are also many PC software options that will give you free trial downloads.

What I found when I was looking is that they all are a little different - the way you log your foods (servings or grams or ounces), how you look them up in the database, the way you do custom foods and recipes, the way nutrients are reported and the reports available - they are all very different -
You might like the logging of one but find the reporting lacking but tolerate the logging of another in exchange for reports you really like.

I think the best way to find out what you like and will work for you is to try them for yourself with several different meals or days of food.


Whew... I just went to Calorie King and The Daily Plate, entered Designer Whey and see what you mean already!

Anyone know if there are any Macintosh programs that you like that track food?

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I have a Mac and use Calorie King. I use the downloaded software, not the online version. There are a couple minor things I'd like to change, but I'm 99% happy with it. You can download a two week free trial from the Calorie King website.
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One thing I have noticed with Daily Plate is incorrect nutritional counts. It pulls from people's custom listings and well..they are only as good as people enter them and oftentimes there have been huge errors.
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I think that's why I like creating my own customs. Although I'm not going to be perfect when keying things in I do double check that the macros don't add up to 120%.
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One thing I have noticed with Daily Plate is incorrect nutritional counts. It pulls from people's custom listings and well..they are only as good as people enter them and oftentimes there have been huge errors.
You can edit incorrect entries. That's the beauty of it.

I may be buying a mac here since my POS Gateway laptop is such a giant reeking POS.... so calorie king has a mac version?
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Fitday.com has it's challenges.

STEAMED VEGIES:
When I eat a steamed vegetable, Fitday adds fat but I don't.
But when I enter the cooked vegie as a raw vegie, if the calories are the same the grams are different, and if the grams are the same the calories are different. How would I enter cooked carrots, etc?
When searching in Fitday, you might try adding terms like "unprepared" to vegetables and other foods to get the values you're looking for. I haven't had any issues finding an accurate value this way.
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When searching in Fitday, you might try adding terms like "unprepared" to vegetables and other foods to get the values you're looking for. I haven't had any issues finding an accurate value this way.


Thanks for the great tip. I've used fitday.com for 6 months and really didn't want to take on learning another food charting site.. Since I'm familiar with fitday.com, I kind of know now how they tend to label things, the phrases they use. BUT, I:

1. thought you needed the exact wording, commas and all
2. It always bothered me that there were 8 pages or more of an item, with the processed foods coming up in the early pages.

I'd never realized the search function was so powerful.
I searched for
carrots cooked from fresh no fat added

and found exactly what I'd wanted

I think this (better search words) is going to work out great for me!!

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