Thoughts on The Velocity Diet??? - JP Fitness Forums

Terry Monk · 12-19-2005, 03:04 PM

I'm thinking about trying this when I start cutting. VERY extreme, but I'm intrigued and thinking about it. Thoughts?

Link is to part 2. There is also a link in the article to part 1. Both worth the read. Shugs a very interesting man.

The Velocity Diet

Lost Dog · 12-19-2005, 03:17 PM

I've been considering it, as well. But, I've spent so much time preaching good, sensible diet over the years that I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I want to do it.

However, I've been trying to slim down and lose the fat for almost three years now, I'm sick of long term hunger. Maybe some short term, real hunger will do the trick!

Besides, I'd like to be the Low Fat Me by April 7th, or so...

Kevin Larrabee · 12-19-2005, 04:55 PM

With the Velocity Diet it is a great possibility of a rebound effect at the end. Basically when you end the diet you have to VERY slowly go back to including carbs in your diet. Also it can be expansive with a couple cases of LC-G and overall it just sounds unhealth and could hurt your body more then helping it (unless your over 200 lbs over weight). Diets like this are made for morbidly obese people who need to have surgery and can't untill they lose the weight.

gymrat have you tried adam's diet at all?

-Kevin

Terry Monk · 12-19-2005, 07:52 PM

No I haven't. I'm still considering possibilities. I know that my food cost would be down, but all those shakes and hard rox and surge? That's gotta cost an arm and a leg.

Anymore ideas anyone?

LD - I know what you mean, I've preached eating right and always eating whole foods vs. supplements and then here I am considering it.

What am I thinking???

Terry Monk · 12-19-2005, 08:23 PM

Just reading more on Adam's... looks pretty good. I may try this. What kind of success did you have LD?

Lost Dog · 12-20-2005, 01:00 AM

I enjoyed Adam's Diet, but didn't lose much. But, I used to be fat and my "fullness meter" is broken. I am always hungry.

I had good results when I ate the Adam's Diet menu, but counted calories. However, I leaned (pun intended) toward "healthier" choices in the meat dept. I had the occasional dark meat or Slim Jim, but when I cooked/packed it myself, it was more along the lines of the 7 Habits (but counting calories).

I think that for people who are not formerly fat and not emotional eaters (holds hand up), Adam's Diet and/or the 7 Habits are often all it takes.

I still think the V Diet would get things done quicker. I'm leaning toward on month of Velocity and then slowly working up to Adam's Diet.

Almost forgot. I went several months on Adam's Diet without losing much weight, but not gaining, either. I got a little (only a little) leaner, too. I think Adam's Diet will be perfect for my maintenance diet, long term.

Lost Dog · 12-20-2005, 01:12 AM

larrabee213,

I'd agree that it's like a obese person's diet. I think it's probably safe when done for a short time.

Also, cost-wise, it's not that expensive. True, you buy a lot of Grow!, but you don't buy ANY food! For my weight, the 28 days would cost $168 for the Grow!, about $8 for the fish oil, plus maybe $10 (if that) for the flaxseed, and $10 for some vitamins (I have no idea how much vitamins cost, so that's just a guess). That's a bargain for me.

Plus, all the restaurant meals I won't be eating... That's a savings, right there.

Lost Dog · 12-20-2005, 01:16 AM

I feel like a post whore, here, but I forgot something...

One appealing thing about the V Diet. Chris Shugart (also formerly fat, like me), reported that it's easier to stick to healthy eating AFTER the Velocity Diet experience. Cravings for sweats and junk, mostly gone. I could do with some of that.

I'll think of myself as some sorta monk. Yeah, that it. A monk that only drinks chocolate shakes, still talks, and has sex!

gobbla · 12-20-2005, 06:20 AM

Just my two cents but I'm not really sure that you'd need to buy "grow" and the assortment of "biotest"...crap.

Regular whey (mabey made with skim milk) and some coffee ought to work. Mine is mabey 40 cents a serving give or take a little. So compair that to regular eating and you're making out ok.

I don't view it so much as a real "diet" so much as something to get ready for something specific. It's not the healthiest thing in the world but if you were looking to really knock down some weight in a hurry in preperation for a more reasonible diet then it'd be ok. IMO you're looking at like a month MAX on the v-diet.

I figure I'll probibly try it when it comes close to PT testing time to make sure all the bloating and water weight is flushed out for measurements.

Terry Monk · 12-20-2005, 07:12 AM

Excellent points all. Thank you. I've PM'd JP to ask about his results with Adam's. I found this link that showed pics of JP before and after and was VERY impressed. He started out about where I'm at now after bulking. I believe it says his starting stats were 205 with 24% bf, although you can't tell it in the before pic - he still looks great.
I'm hoping to follow CW's 10x3 for fat loss and maybe Adam's.

bushDocda · 12-20-2005, 09:17 AM

Gymrat

With all the work you put into your bulk, i would think that going to such a changeup like the Velocity Diet would not be the best move. Something like Adam's Diet, Maximum Muscularity (from rugged), or Cresseys Periodized Diet at Tmag would work like a charm. Not to discount the V-diet, but the extreme change is not the best method, rather tapering your kcals down as weeks go by to preserve the muscle mass you have busted your ass and fork adding.

Lost Dog · 12-20-2005, 01:38 PM

gobbla,

In "theory" Grow! is supposed to be absorbed/digested more slowly than whey protein. It contains whey, but also contains other milk proteins that are slower to digest.

I don't know how much is marketing and how much is reality. Also, while Grow!'s formula may be optimal, who knows the difference between optimal and "okay?" It may be big or it could be inconsequential.

Although, I've only had Grow! once (years ago), it was tasty. I do think that it likely tastes better than most other protein powders.

I'm with you on the cost. If it makes little difference, I'd choose my regular whey protein, which would cost me $60.00 for the 28 days (with over half a tub still left at the end), rather than $168. So, we're looking at about $100 (total) instead of $200 for the month.

Again, in the Biotest theory/sales pitch, you'll be less hungry in between shakes with the Grow! I don't know that it's really true, especially for someone like me, who's always hungry anyway. Will I be even more hungry?

I'm going to buy my protein anyway, since I use it for a lot of things, so I can always try it for a week, then try the Grow! to see if there's a difference for me. I'll lose nothing, really.

Sam S · 12-20-2005, 02:17 PM

Grow may be one of the worst tasting powders every made except for maybe the EAS powders of old.

Don't believe everything you read about the "success" of the velocity diet especially where t-bag is concerned (All hype, no substance short of some stuff by the real nutrition guys and recently cosgrove). Beside being terribly unhealthy, it will back fire as any gains in body comp will disappear once normal eating has resumed.

Don't fall for desperate measures when slow and steady surely wins the race.

gobbla · 12-20-2005, 02:42 PM

LD> yeah, checking out the ingredients (whey\casein\milk protein all isolates) it's likely a little extra bang. But like you say "is their a substantial difference?", "are we looking at a 5% difference or a 50% difference?". In my befuddled\un-educated mind...I'd say if it really were a substancial difference they probibly wouldn't be aloud to sell it because it'd include something illegal. IMO if you were mixing it with milk to get at least SOME casein and assuming...milk protein...you're probably going to hit the generally area of "Grow".

It MIGHT just be that damn good and I certainly wouldn't claim to hold the nutrient crown. But I'm really wary of sights that say "use this product that we make".

I'm a hater.

Kevin Larrabee · 12-20-2005, 03:05 PM

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LD> yeah, checking out the ingredients (whey\casein\milk protein all isolates) it's likely a little extra bang. But like you say "is their a substantial difference?", "are we looking at a 5% difference or a 50% difference?". In my befuddled\un-educated mind...I'd say if it really were a substancial difference they probibly wouldn't be aloud to sell it because it'd include something illegal. IMO if you were mixing it with milk to get at least SOME casein and assuming...milk protein...you're probably going to hit the generally area of "Grow".

It MIGHT just be that damn good and I certainly wouldn't claim to hold the nutrient crown. But I'm really wary of sights that say "use this product that we make".

First off if you add milk to your everday whey you are defeating the whole point of the diet. the milk will cause a nice spike in your insulin levels and that is exactly what this diet wants you not to do. With the Low Carb Grow, its low-carb and high in protein that consists of casin (slow digesting). So please refrain from making comments that are most likely wrong cause it can hurt the community and the people you think your helping.

Low carb grow is a great product, even if t-nation isn't the greatest site. If you compair it to other brands of cassin protein you will see it is very close to the same price.

Hope this helps,

-Kevin

gobbla · 12-20-2005, 10:04 PM

larabee> I think you'll notice that I mentioned casien to the mix, hense the whole milk\milk protein fiasco.

I'm asking for a little creative thinking here. Is skim milk REALLY going to wreck the whole plan? That powerful insulin spike caused by the lactose and *poop* all your hard work thrown out the window? I somewhat doubt it.

You're laying in bed crying going "why god?!! why have I failed?!!"

to which god reply's "you drank skim milk with your protein shake"

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOO

Lost Dog · 12-20-2005, 10:12 PM

Cottage cheese has casien protein. Perhaps a blended shake of whey and cottage cheese. The ol' curds and whey!

Now, where's Little Miss Muffett?

Kevin Larrabee · 12-20-2005, 10:19 PM

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larabee> I think you'll notice that I mentioned casien to the mix, hense the whole milk\milk protein fiasco.

I'm asking for a little creative thinking here. Is skim milk REALLY going to wreck the whole plan? That powerful insulin spike caused by the lactose and *poop* all your hard work thrown out the window? I somewhat doubt it.

You're laying in bed crying going "why god?!! why have I failed?!!"

to which god reply's "you drank skim milk with your protein shake"

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOO

Yes I am saying that it can ruin the whole diet. Again the diet is based on being low-carb and keeping insulin levels as low as possible. So if you are spiking you insulin at every meal it defeats the whole point of the diet.

to be honest GROW tastes great in water, thats how i take it.

-Kevin