Diet, Nutrition and SupplementationPost here for supplement reviews or nutritional advice. If you're trying to get "ripped abz" THIS is where you should be.
Seriously, FORGET the premade carb/protein drinks. Buy a container of straight whey protein, and a container of straight dextrose (or Gatorade powder) and a shaker. It's MUCH cheaper, and you get to control how much of each is in each serving.
Aren't those ABB drinks like $3 a pop? At that rate, to keep up with JB's requirements for StB, you'd end up spending $27 a week on recovery drinks... you can get a month's worth (or more) out of the straight whey and dextrose for that much $$$.
Dude, that would suck. What you need to do is get a whole bunch of malto to go along with the gatoraide and whey. Use between 1 and 1.5 scoops of gatoraide and make the rest malto. It will taste way better.
Danny
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Limitations are for people who have them.
I used to use gatorade powder for my PWO shake carbs. I used 1.5 scoops glacier freeze gat. powder and 1 scoop ON vanilla whey plus 8oz of skim milk and a bunch of water. Tasted good to me.
maltodextrose is a polymer of dextrose. It is basically a long chain of dextrose molecules attached together. It is actually classified as a complex carbohydrate though it is digested very quickly.
You can usually buy it in wine brewing places and some bulk stores sell it under the name corn starch
I've used Fruit Punch, Lemon Lime, and Arctic Frost (or is it Freeze?). They all taste good with vanilla.
However, for my "during workout drink" I dilute it in a lot of water, which makes it taste really weak. I often dump in a bit of Crystal Light powder to sweeten it up a bit.
If it's a "powdery mess" then your not shaking long enough. If your whey is still powdery/lumpy, let it sit for a few minutes and then shake some more. Different protein powders dissolve at different rates. Some are easy, some are not. I had one batch of powder that I had to start at home and shake again at the gym. Other's are good mere moments before use.
GNC and supplement shops usually have malto, but they aren't called malto. That's just the ingredient in it. Usually the only ingredient. They are called things like "Carb Up," etc. Just ask for the carb powders and start reading the labels.
Lost dog... the reason its so powdery for me isn't cus i'm not mixing it enough, its because of the recommendations JB has in StB: .4 grams protein and .8 grams carb for each Kg of bodyweight, 1 drink before, during, and after each workout.
for me, that's 1.5 scoops protein, 3.5 scoops gatorade! ugh!
PS thanks for the carb product tip
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DKING has it right. Once you get some malto it makes it alot easier. I use one scoop Vanilla ON Whey and one scoop gatorade and however much malto I want to put in (usually 1-2 scoops). You can get malto at http://www.dpsnutrition.com fairly cheap (alot cheaper than gGatorade). This way you use the Gatorade for taste and add malto for carbs you want. The malto is basically tasteless.
Wow! For me, at 176 lbs, that would be 1152 calories in workout drinks!
I've done his Massive Eating drink recommendations, and remember drinking about 600+ cals in two drinks (during and after). Sounds like he means business, now. That's a lot of calories.
However, he does recommend that they be diluted to total a liter for EACH drink, so it shouldn't be powdery. I've done that strength before and in 1 liter of water, it's fine. How much water, per drink, do you use?
Isn't it dangerous to drink that much liquid in an hour and half span? There have been quite a few reports of people almost dying from overhydration recently.
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Isn't it dangerous to drink that much liquid in an hour and half span? There have been quite a few reports of people almost dying from overhydration recently.
Are you kidding man? I never heard of that?! Wow. I drink my 24oz shake in like 30 minutes or less after working out. Never bothered me.
I really think a person would have to drink like a gallan or 2 really fast (almost impossible) to cause a problem. But maybe one of the trainers on here can give ya a scientific answer.
ps - I just came to the realization that I have to get some malto or something. I use gatorade and whey too and realized not enough carbs in my mix. And I'm not about to add 3+ scoops of gatorade. Sounds nasty.
Jimbo: The program doesn't call for 1 24 oz drink. It calls for 3 one-liter drinks in the period of an hour to an hour and a half. 1 pre-workout, 1 during, and 1 post-workout.
So again, isn't it dangerous to drink that much liquid in an hour and a half span?
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Shark: The athletes who had problems with overhydration drank far more liquid than that, over a longer period of time, and were also severely sodium depleted. If you're following Berardi's recommendations throughout the day, you will NEVER be overhydrated.
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Didn't realize that Shark. I should have read the post closer. My bad.
That is a bunch of liquid. Dang. I think I'd be sloshing around...I don't like drinking prior and during my workouts..
Usually just a nanner b4 hitting it in the a.m.
I'm still trying to cut fat off my mid section...I'd be afraid to add that many calories to my diet. My shakes are 275-300 calories each and I already know that I don't have enough carbs in them...Once I get them up to par...crap that's a lot of calories.
Shark - How long have you been following those standards? Has it made you gain body fat?
Jimbo: The way Berardi has you timing your nutrients, you maximize muscle gain and minimize fat gain. I've only been doing it a week or so, and even then, only really a few days cus i got really sick (unrelated to the program) and had to stop for a week.
I know John Williams (Johnka) did the program as a pilot for Mike and Berardi, and he gained 20 lbs, with a 1%bf increase from 6% up to 7% bf. Not bad at all.
And the reason you drink so much and don't worry about it is because its a bulking program. You want the calories and take them anyways you can get them!
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