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i know most veggies can be eaten during a PF meal, but can fruit be eaten too? i mean if i were to have an apple, would that ruin the PF meal in ways veggies wouldnt?
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I try to avoid fruit during PF meals but accoriding to Berardi it's okay as long as your not having like 3 apples with a PF meal. However, your not gonna get fat eating fruit so eat away...
lol good point, thanks
btw, where does berardi mention thats its ok?
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" Very low glycemic carbohydrates also can be ingested during P+F meals. Of course, I’ve written before about some low GI foods that actually provoke a big insulin response, so not all low GI foods are acceptable when combined with P+F meals. (11) As a result, I typically reserve veggies, fruits, and beans as "Massive Eating Approved" during P+F meals.
However, even with these foods, don’t go overboard. The insulin response to a meal is dependent on both the type and the amount of total carbohydrate. (18) Therefore some veggies and one piece of fruit might be occasionally okay during a P+F meal, but lots of veggies and three apples? Not so okay."
Just to add to that, IMO eat all the veggies you want. They have tons of nutreints, are very filling, and are a great low cal/carb carb source.
Originally posted by Canadian_Bacon: There isnt a lot of hard science behind nutrient partioning as fat storage is insulin independent for the most part.
Some nutritional gurus like Lyle Macdonald think the whole idea is just plain voodoo.
Take home story: Having a few carbs w/ fat probably wont make one lick of a difference.
Lyle McDonald is anti-Berardi...lol. IMO just avoid processed food and keep a good macronutreint ratio and you'll be fine.
alright, thanks a lot guys. anyway since we're talking about GI i thought id bring this up. there was an article in the newspaper the other day, about how 80 people were put on a strict diet and monitored. some were put on diets with 30% fat, some with 15% fat, and some with low GI. anyway the article goes on to say they all lost the same amount of weight and that "despite all the controversy about diet... a calorie is a calorie is a calorie". now im not trying to lose weight so this exact study doesnt really affect me, i just wanted to hear your thoughts on this.
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-Dave Tate
IMHO a clean calorie is different than fast food...lol. But don't get too worried about P+F, P+C meal combos. Like I said before, east natural/unprocessed foods and you should be fine. Avoid sugar, satuarted fat, and junk food and you will be fine and the pounds will come off. Good luck [img]smile.gif[/img]
Originally posted by mAtThEw: "despite all the controversy about diet... a calorie is a calorie is a calorie". now im not trying to lose weight so this exact study doesnt really affect me, i just wanted to hear your thoughts on this.
I have noted that many of the "a calorie is a calorie is a calorie" people are those who just can't let the beloved food pyramid go.
In fact, my Mother has some magazines with information and recipes for diabetics. I could hardly believe what I was reading in these magazines. Still advocating very high carb, low fat diets. But they did publish a shocking revelation - that peanut butter and other nuts are now legal. Gee- such earth shattering news that's been around for several years now!
I do believe that calorie totals are very important. And you can certainly lose weight while eating processed carbs. But I do believe that limiting refined carbs and other processed junky foods is very helpful for lowering bodyfat and maintaining it at lower levels. Also, the bottom line is that "clean" foods are generally much more nutritious - loaded with vitamins, fiber, and other assorted good things. Certainly 200 calories worth of stir-fried vegetables packs a much better nutritional punch than 200 calories worth of Wonder Bread.
Originally posted by Canadian_Bacon: There isnt a lot of hard science behind nutrient partioning as fat storage is insulin independent for the most part.
Some nutritional gurus like Lyle Macdonald think the whole idea is just plain voodoo.
Take home story: Having a few carbs w/ fat probably wont make one lick of a difference.
There are many holes in this food combining business, it's based more on anecdotal evidence than anything else.
All of the 'calorie is a calorie' people talk about weight loss and weight gain. There's an important difference between losing a pound of fat vs. losing a pound of muscle.
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