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i have been using hot point fitness for 8 weeks now and am officially addicted to the gym. My goal is to lose fat/build more lean muscle, not to bulk up so my question is, is creatin going to work against me?
I cant help but want bigger arms and chest but i was told to get lean first..is this accurate?
i have been using hydroxycut and a strict diet with good success. CAN I USE BOTH AT THE SAME TIME?
Tex why take hydroxycut? if you really want to take something with proven results look into stacking ephedrine (illegal in the U.S.), caffeine, and asprin.Ephedrine enhances ß-agonist production and even acts as a ß-agonist itself. Caffeine inhibits the breakdown of C-AMP. Aspirin inhibits the negative feedback loop that would reduce ß-agonist production. So taken together these agents enhance three to four different steps in the ß-agonist pathway.
I personally don't like creatine. It doesn't work for everyone and prolong use it of gets your body dependant on a 3rd party source of creatine so your own body eventually stops making it's own. Not to mention, if you don't cram yourself with even more water then you already "should" have, you're gonna be dehydrating yourself.
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Originally posted by Bo: I personally don't like creatine. It doesn't work for everyone and prolong use it of gets your body dependant on a 3rd party source of creatine so your own body eventually stops making it's own. Not to mention, if you don't cram yourself with even more water then you already "should" have, you're gonna be dehydrating yourself.
Most of this post is simply not true. Yes you should drink more water, but the body becoming dependant on it, come on. If you can post a link to a valid study proving this than by all means post it but such study doesn't exist.
Danny
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hmm i think Bo is confusing creatine with steroids. Then the body does get dependant on the amount of testosterone injected...
and btw creatine is found in red meat, so eating red meat every day would make your body also dependant on creatine?
I've read enough reports to see that 5G each day isn't harmfull at all
I'm not sure where I read it, or whether it was something mentioned to be my GNC nutrionist, but common sense should prevail here. Just beacuse there isn't a study to prove it happens, doesn't mean it doesn't. And even if there WAS a study that proves no link between the two, it doesn't mean it's right either. How many times have we read something that starts with "contrary to popular belief, latest study proves that..."
But here's the thing.. you start drinking pepto bismol every day and what happens to you after a few months? Your body can't produce enough antacids on it's own and you start relying on pepto/tums/rolaids to keep your stomach acids down.
Steroids, no need to go there
Antibiotics, you know the drill.
Anything thay your body makes, and that you increase with a 3rd party drug shouldn't be taken for too long otherwise your body will see that it's getting what it needs from somewhere else, therefore it doesn't need to make so much/at all anymore and it stops. This process can take up to a few years, but it happens on even a small scale quite quickly.
But this is just my opinion and I am by no means anybody. Just, think about it yourself as well as reading/asking around.
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I have also read in certain places (that which I cannot recall at the moment) that you should cycle creatine to prevent the negative feedback loop. I have also seen other articles saying it doesn't matter. The fact is we don't know yet. All of us on creatine are walking experiments.
My local (several different stores) GNC employees are almost always wrong about virtually everything.
I've never met one that could talk about any nutritional subject with any authority.
A few months ago, when I was stalled at a certain weight, one guy recommended a colon cleanse product, a drop in calories (to 1500 per day (I'm male, 6'1" and 170lbs, by the way.)), and a good morning jog on an empty stomach. Apparently, HIIT's no good (he said). Long cardio will get me there... Also, he said I'm concentrating too hard on lifting, as fat loss and muscle work don't relate anyway.
If you must buy from GNC, read the labels and make your own decisions from your own research. Keep the questions to a minimum unless it's for the entertainment value.
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The comments expressed above are my own. I fully admit that there MAY be GNC employees that know what they are talking about. I've never met one, however.
"I'm not sure where I read it, or whether it was something mentioned to be my GNC nutrionist, but common sense should prevail here"
So I should discard all the info I have seen and should listen to a vitamin saleman who is trying to sell you more products and make a profit? Common sense is telling me NO.
"Just beacuse there isn't a study to prove it happens, doesn't mean it doesn't."
True, But it would be nice to see one study showing there IS a possible problem. None have been presented yet...
Originally posted by Newlife: "I'm not sure where I read it, or whether it was something mentioned to be my GNC nutrionist, but common sense should prevail here"
So I should discard all the info I have seen and should listen to a vitamin saleman who is trying to sell you more products and make a profit? Common sense is telling me NO.
Well if she was truly interested in selling me the product and only that, I think she'd tell me that it's fine for use and I should buy as much as possible cause it's a wonder drug. Instead, she gave me warnings and told me about a guy who came in 13 weeks after he bought creatine and his face was weird because of extreme dehydration. Obviously he didn't know that you need to really bump up your water intake with creatine but nonetheless, she gave me the pros and the cons.
lool I know those stupid guys.. i've seen the same at my gym
kids who take creatine and don't have a fucking clue how it works and even worse how much water they should drink ...
djeezes
oh well they deserve to be punished I guess for being ignorant :s
All I know is I won't be touching the stuff. I know many people say it is safe, but I want to see some long term studies on it. Is a 80 year old man who took creatine in his 20s and 30s going to be as healthy as one who didn't? That's what I want to know.
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Yeah it'll be a while before those crop up. Until then, I'm taking the safer route to it. Plenty of "old-school" guys got monster fit without it, I figure, I can too.
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i've been using creatine off and on since 1995 (it became available as a nutritional supplement in 1993 or 1992). almost 10 years later no problems. yearly physicals by my doctor all come out great.
and my doctor takes creatine also. thats why i go to him.
Originally posted by nbjjku: All I know is I won't be touching the stuff. I know many people say it is safe, but I want to see some long term studies on it. Is a 80 year old man who took creatine in his 20s and 30s going to be as healthy as one who didn't? That's what I want to know.
well then imho you can never try something new including medicine
try to experiment a little man, you'll die anyway [img]tongue.gif[/img]
I use to have a link to a website on Creatine that pretty well gave all the information anybody would ever want on the subject. Unfortunately I can't locate it now. Maybe someone else in this forum can find it.
As I recall the report gave Creatine high marks for muscle building. I believe the report indicated it didn't do much for endurance athletes. I remember one result to expect was a gain in weight from using the stuff. That's consistent with my own experience. I used it for about a month a year ago and noticed an almost immediate weight gain of 5-10 lbs. Water weight. Since I was trying to lose weight, the weight gain was a downer so I dropped the Creatine. The personal trainer I'm working out with is pretty sold on the stuff and I started taking it again two nights ago. I'm mixing 5g in my protein shake after working out. I don't know whether it's the creatine or the protein, but for an hour or so after drinking the shakes I had a problem with - no polite way to say this - breaking wind.
I understand a lot of Creatine users go through a loading phase where they take a lot for some time period before cutting back to the maintenance dose. I've read some articles that say the loading phase is not necessary. I've also noticed it's real hard to get the stuff to mix well. It doesn't want to disolve. So the shake is grainy.
Sorry for the rambling post. Sure wish I could find that link. It was very informative.
The only side effect reported from clinical studies in preoperative and post-operative patients, untrained subjects, and elite athletes has been weight gain. However, a number of concerns about possible side effects of creatine supplementation have been mentioned in lay publications, supplement advertisements, and on the Internet. It should be noted that these claims of “unsafe” have not been substantiated in any prospective creatine study. Unfortunately, many of these concerns have recently received significant media coverage thus they are worthy of discussion.
Since creatine is an amino acid, it has been suggested that creatine supplementation may affect kidney and/or function. However, no studies have reported clinically significant elevations in kidney function markers or liver enzymes in response to creatine supplementation. No study has found that creatine supplementation has any negative effects on athletes (medical markers of safety) who participate in outdoor summer-type sports.
There have been some reports that creatine supplementation may promote a greater incidence of muscle strains or pulls. No study has found this to be true.
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