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Old 09-06-2004, 09:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am trying to eat healthy... Aren't we all??!

So, I have been careful with reading many food packages and I am somewhat confused on a few issues:

Is organic better than processed in this example: MILK: The Carb-Sense FAT FREE milk has less calories, more protein, less carbs. So it seems like this is the better choice, right? Yet, at 2nd thought, this must be processed and henced would be worse than Fat free organic milk, right?

Sugar: Splenda is so processed and re-defined. So wouldn't honey in moderation be better as it is natural?

What I am getting at is that many people especially in this country are obese or overweight and I think that much of that is attributed to them eating all this processed stuff. In Europe people are so much healthier and thinner; in Europe there is not all this processed food yet. So maybe in an effort to cut the calories, etc. we are forgetting that our bodies might just need good nutrition: Nutrition that is real and natural, rather than PROCESSED.

Hope to get lottts of input here!!

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Old 09-07-2004, 12:00 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Splenda is fine, and so is fat-free milk. You should first focus on just cleaning up your eating habits and sticking with whole foods, lean meats, whole grains, veggies, fruits, and good fats before you start worrying about whether organic is better or not.
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Old 09-07-2004, 12:02 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Well said
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Old 09-07-2004, 12:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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My eating habits are spectacularly clean and healthy. I would not pose the question if I was not all set with my nutrition...

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Old 09-07-2004, 01:35 AM   #5 (permalink)
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In Eeastern Europe things are still relatively clean, so once you clean up your diet you are fine. We don't have fat-free milk either.
If your diet is really clean, staying away from processed foods is even more important, because your body will simply not "welcome" them most times. Generally I would choose organic milk over non organic, and a bit of honey or maple syrup over splenda. If I am making a cake though, splenda will definitely go in there. And then again I make cake like once a year.
I see where you are coming from and think making better choices is important in a processed food world. I would have it as a guideline though, rather than a restriction.
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Old 09-07-2004, 10:07 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks Galya!

That makes good sense.



I would like to see some research though: More precise stats on which ingredients in processed foods are so bad for us, etc.

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Here is an excerpt from a book I used in college. It is pretty biased I'm sure, but it had a lot of really great points. It's about 14 pages (.pdf), but if you have the chance, it's a great read.

http://www.natcap.org/sitepages/art1...%3FpageId%3D20

I eat completely organic for reasons other than fitness, and find it does not hinder me at all. It really helps actually. Makes me focus on eating whole foods, tons of veggies, and good, lean proteins. I can't justify my decision with hard facts, just that I know a lot of the crap that gets put into food, and don't want to put that in my body. Hope this chapter helps!
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Old 09-07-2004, 11:54 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Here is a nice article by Paul Chek
http://www.clubmarket.com/Manual/Man...parentId=12820

some GMO info
http://www.cqs.com/50harm.htm

here is a list just of the E's and we know that many of those have not even been studied yet as far as effects on health go.
http://www.bryngollie.freeserve.co.uk/Enumbers.htm

and a really short free list with possible side effects
http://www.eande.va.com.au/food_additivesx.htm

Even if you don't want to accept these at face value, how many E's do you want in your food or how much GH do you want to get with your milk? There is really no way to know, so I'd rather be on the safe side. More research is needed on GM foods to be able to state that they are safe. As a translator I often have to translate articles and studies dealing with GMOs, since Bulgaria is still in the process of passing the GMO bill. Every time my hair stands on end.

emartin, great book, thanks for the link
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Good topic Anna. I think that if your goal is health, then by all means whole foods are superior. That includes eating whole protein from meat and dairy and plants rather than protein powder.

If your goal relates to body composition, then calorie balance and macros start becoming important, so artificial sweeteners and low-carb products could be beneficial.

My goals include health and body comp., so I let some Splenda and Carb Countdown slip in there every now and then, but I try to get the majority of calories from whole foods.

By the way Anna, how is your progress?
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Johnka,

My progress is going well, thanks for asking.

I caught a cold a few days ago and that's not helping though.

Also, I am having trouble sticking to a schedule as my work/school schedules just got busier..



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Glad to hear things are going well Anna, besides the cold of course! It seems that a few people here are sick lately...get well soon.
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I will be fine by this weekend. Takes time to get over a cold, LOL...

I posted a new pic in my profile: So, Johnka, be the judge: Do you think that I've made progress? I know that it is difficult to tell from a photo though. My older clothes fit well (they did not before my training) and I've gotten compliments on "sliming down," particularly on my face.

My weight though has been pretty steady though. I was doing particularly well when I was tracking calories and when I was training 6 days a week. I decided to try a new approach, where I use slow movements and take lots of rest for recovery. I am not sure if this way works better or not though. Over the last 3 weeks though my workouts have not been steady: I kept switching routines and did not workout for just over one week as I took a vacation at the Cape.

The important thing is that I know what I must do to get to the final shape I want: Continue to eat healthy, cut some more sugar and carbs, workout more often and more intensely, sleep well (again; schedule, schedule, schedule) and avoid stress.

I have to get over this cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so frustrated because of this cold. I worked out yesterday lightly, but I wish I could have pushed more weight!!

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cool picture. where was it taken at?
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I did a search for a thread on organic food to add this tidbit to:

From Whitley Strieber's Unknown Country....................... .............

Organically grown fruit has a five-numeral code, which begins with the number 9. Since organic fruits and vegetables now have to be in separate areas in grocery stores, this code confirms that your apple hasn't ended up in the wrong pile. However, the store does not have to reveal which fruits and vegetables are genetically modified—but you can find out by looking at their stickers, which begin with the number 8.


Sent to me with no other info. Guess I'll try to remember to check this out today when I go to the store.
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