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Old 08-18-2004, 06:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm new to this section of the forum. I was wondering what clean eating is. Any examples. Thanks a lot.
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Old 08-18-2004, 07:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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come on guys...please help me out here
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Old 08-18-2004, 07:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Eating the right foods.

A few examples...

Carbs: veggies, fruits, whole wheat grains(bread), oatmeal, brown rice

Protein: chicken, tuna, salmon, lean beaf, cottage cheese, whey protein powder

Fats: oilve oil, almomds, walnuts, fish oils, natural peanut butter

There is a bunch of threads out there on the opic. Hope this helps.
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Old 08-18-2004, 07:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Have patience

Theres a good thread on the MH forums, but I couldnt find it [img]tongue.gif[/img] . Basically clean eating is just putting into practise the good advice we've heard for years and know we should be doing.

Cut the processed foods.
Get your carbs from fruit/veggies instead of bread/pastas.
Eat plenty of lean meats
Eat your healthy fats.

Stuff like that. Its basically just cleaning up your diet and getting rid of the bad stuff and replacing it with good stuff. A good rule of thumb I work on is that anything I eat should provide me with a benefit. In otherwords, no empty calories. It should be giving me protein, or some good vitamin/nutrients, or contain some healthy fats, etc. If I cant identify a good thing from eating a food its probably not clean eating.
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Old 08-19-2004, 06:48 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Here is the thread from the MH fourm, should answer your question

What is Clean eating?

Clean Eating
A primer for the 52 Day Challenge: Nutrition Event

Caloric Requirements:
Before we talk about “clean eating”, let’s discuss caloric requirement.
One way to calculate your caloric requirement is with the Harris-Benedict Formula:
I use the following formula(for males):

66 + (6.3 x body weight in lbs.) + (12.9 x height in inches) - (6.8 x age in years)

This gives you your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR)
Now that you know your BMR, multiply your BMR by your activity multiplier from below:

Activity Multiplier
Sedentary = BMR X 1.2 (little or no exercise, desk job)
Lightly active = BMR X 1.375 (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/wk)
Mod. active = BMR X 1.55 (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/wk)
Very active = BMR X 1.725 (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days/wk)
Extr. active = BMR X 1.9 (hard daily exercise/sports & physical job

Your BMR X Activity Level = Calories Needed for maintenance : what you need to sustain your body at status quo. If you want to lose weight, subtract 500 calories a day to lose 1 pound per week. Subtract 1000 to lose 2 pounds per week. It is not recommended to go below a 1000 calorie deficit. It is also not recommended to go below 2000 calories a day if you are trying to maintain / build muscle mass. I recommend you start out a fat loss program at a 500 calorie deficit, try that for a couple of weeks, then, if you aren’t getting the results you want, cut 250 off, try that for a couple of weeks, and repeat until you find the level that works for your body. After a few months, change it; your body will become accustomed to a caloric level and needs it to be altered once in a while.

To set up your macronutrient ratios:
Protein is 4 calories per gram.
Carbohydrates are 4 calories per gram.
Fat is 9 calories per gram.
Alcohol is 7 calories per gram.


First, set your protein requirement. A good protein requirement for most people is 0.9 grams per pound of body weight. After getting your protein intake in grams by this formula, multiply it by 4 to get your daily protein requirement in calories.
Subtract that number from the daily calorie target you’ve calculated.
The remaining number divide by two to get your carb calories and fat calories. Divide that by 4 and 9 respectively to get grams per day.
You can play with the ratios if you want. Many people losing weight go for 40% protein, 30% carbs, and 30% fat. Some go for 33 / 33 / 33. You can experiment to find what works for you.

Eating clean

“ Eating clean” means, basically, eating the right kinds of proteins, carbohydrates, and fats.

Carbohydrates:
Carbohydrates are an important energy source for your body and your brain. Some are better than others. The Glycemic Index describes how quickly your body metabolizes foods into sugars. High G.I. foods turn into sugars quickly, causing an insulin spike. Low GI foods metabolize slowly. Try to keep your carbs lower than 75 GI. You can find the GI ratings here: http://diabetes.about.com/library/me...mendosagi.htm, or www.glycemicindex.com, or various other sources.
Examples of Low GI Carbs:
Vegetables, Mixed Beans, Oatmeal, Bran, Whole Grain Breads, Whole Grains, Barley, Brown Rice, Low GI Fruits
Lowfat Milk, Lowfat Yogurt (note: while these dairy products have a low GI, they have a high Insulin Index (the reaction your body produces to the metabolizing of these products), so use in moderation)
White Rice (note: while having a higher GI, these have a low Insulin Index, so again, use in moderation)
High GI Carbs to Avoid:
White Bread (includes “wheat bread” – must say “whole wheat” or “whole grain”) this means bagels, tortillas, pitas, and all other forms of bread
Potatoes (the worst – very high GI) (sweet potatoes are OK)
High GI fruits (watermelon, dates, raisins, ) and fruit juice – eat raw fruits instead (one glass of orange juice has over three oranges in it, without the benefits of the fiber in the raw orange)
Sugar and processed food with sugar or its many forms (high fructose corn syrup, cane sugar, molasses, etc)
Pastas (use in moderation, and never with saturated fats, e.g. fettucine alfredo)
Most breakfast cereals (stick to whole grain / bran cereals if you must eat cereals)

Note: There is a whole other subject, called “glycemic loads”, describing the value of the entire item you are eating, that can be taken into consideration, but it is simply too extensive and undeveloped to go into at this time. Look into it yourself at www.mendosa.com (now http://diabetes.about.com/library/me...mendosagi.htm) if you’re interested.

Proteins:
Eat lean proteins, low in saturated fats.
Examples of Good Protein Sources:
Lean Beef (90% lean ground beef, lean steak)
Chicken (particularly white meat)
Turkey (particularly white meat)
Lean pork (tenderloin, lean ham)
Lowfat dairy products, in moderation
Cottage cheese (highly recommended form of casein protein)
Whey protein
Fish, particularly tuna, salmon, and cod
Eggs, particularly egg whites (yolks in moderation)
Soy and soy products, while very good sources of protein, have also been shown in some studies to have potential for causing high estrogen levels and sexual dysfunction. I suggest using these in moderation until testing is completed and a conclusion has been reached. Caveat Emptor.

Proteins to avoid:
Fatty meats (non-extra lean ground beef, fatty pork (bacon, ribs, etc)
Fatty dairy (whole milk, most cheese, ice cream)

Fats:
Fats, which have been vilified, are an essential ingredient in our diet. Poly and monounsaturated fats must be included in your daily plan. A small amount of saturated fats are also needed. Minimize saturated fats, maximize monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats. Try to get good Essential Fatty Acids – Omega 3 and Omega 6’s. No more than 1/3 of your fat calories should be saturated fats (if you are on a 40/30/30 plan, 10% of your calories may come from sat fats)
Examples of good fats:
Fish and fish oils – polyunsaturated, best source of Omega 3’s – cold water fish – tuna, salmon, cod
Flaxseed oil – some Omega 3, good Omega 6
Olive Oil - monounsaturated fat
Avocados – monounsaturated fat
Nuts – mono, poly, and omega 6s – best are walnuts and almonds

Bad fats:
Saturated fats – from animal products (fatty beef, pork, milk, etc)
Hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated fats (trans fatty acids) – Wicked Bad Stuff. (margarine and Crisco are trans fatty acids)
Most vegetable oil and corn oil – use Canola oil if you must use oil, and use in moderation – try not to cook in oil if you can avoid it. If you cook with oil, use an oil with the appropriate smoke point.

Water:
Water is a compound we can’t do without for more than only a few days. The human body is about 60 to 75 percent water, and the brain is said to be about 85 percent water. Even bones are about 20 percent water. The body needs water. Nothing substitutes for water; coffee, tea, alcohol, are not the same as water. Drink at least 10 glasses of water a day. Note: The more caffeine you drink, the more water you must drink. Caffeine is a diuretic and flushes water out of your system.

Vitamins and Minerals:
Vitamins and Minerals play a vital role in maintaining the proper biological functioning of everything from muscles to memory. Nutritionists will tell you that they are unnecessary if we consume a properly balanced diet, but few of us consume a “properly balanced diet”. It is highly recommended to consume a good quality multivitamin/mineral supplement daily. It is very difficult to obtain protective levels of some nutrients solely from diet.

Special notes:
1) Avoid mixing high GI carbs with fats
2) Avoid all processed / prepackaged foods
3) Read labels! Be on the lookout for bad stuff!
4) Eat your veggies!
5) Do not eat too little. Your metabolism will slow to a crawl and you will stop burning fat.
6) Do not eat too much. You will store excess as fat.
7) Alcohol, if required, must be kept to a minimum. When you drink alcohol, your body uses the alcohol as an energy source instead of burning your fat stores.

“Clean Eating” for the 52 Day Challenge:
1) Keep your caloric intake around your computed requirement – not too low, not too high
2) Keep your macronutrient ratios per your computed requirement, say within 10% - track them on www.fitday.com if possible
3) Eat low GI carbs, lean proteins, mono & polyunsaturated fats
4) Eat your veggies! Eat your veggies! Eat your veggies!
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Old 08-19-2004, 07:19 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Kevin T,

You've usually got to give a thread a while before someone answers it. Sometimes a whole day will go by before someone who has a link or the answer will have the time to post a response.

As to Clean Eating, the diet in the Testosterone Advantage Plan, or TAP, is pretty much it. If you've read TAP, then you basically have Clean Eating right there. I think Clean Eating started out with folks talking about eating "clean" and then, over time, it picked up an actual, unofficial definition over on the MH forums.

That's my take, although I was only six to eight months on Men's Health forums before I came here from MH, so I'm not really sure of the origins. Just guessing...

Perhaps a MH vet can clear up the Clean Eating history, now that we've got the actual diet posted?
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Old 08-19-2004, 09:17 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I can't add anything to the creation of the MH forum clean eating post.

I can tell you that when I found it and adopted it I lost weight. I haven't had a problem adopting it as my food concepts. I haven't had a real problem with cravings in the last 8 1/2 months.

Eating that way and exercising has been the key to for me having lost nearly 70lbs.

I don't remeber a time I was this light or I could actually fit into a Large shirt, down from the XXXLs I was buying.

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thanks a lot guys
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