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Old 08-03-2004, 01:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I got a few questions on this Adam's Diet... Saw JP's great results and decided I jump on over!

1. Flaxseed oil okay for dressing?

2. Is 97% lean beef better than 90% lean beef?

3. Would a protein shake like Muscle Milk or Biotest Low Carb Grow work here?

4. Would it be optimal to have this meal following your PWO shake?

6. Do thermogenic drinks (0-5 cals) fall under this category?

8 & 9. Does this mean I would drink one mixture of Biotest Surge (cals/carbs/pro 350/49/25) 15 minutes before my workout and throughout the duration, then drink another mixture directly following the workout?

10. Is any type of cheese okay? Nonfat cottage cheese fall under cheese available to eat? Does yogurt count as milk?

Are all the serving recommendations based off JP's height/weight? Is there a recommended training routine to be done with this meal plan or will most training routines suffice? And just to make sure I didn't misread it, we can eat all we want without counting calories correct? I've been eating around 2500 on lifting days and 2000-2200 on nonlifting days and on this plan, I'm pretty sure I'll eclipse those numbers because as of right now, I'm always hungry! And on nonlifting days everything would stay the same minus the PWO shakes before, during, and after training correct?

Right now I weigh 153-155 lbs at 11-13% bodyfat... I basically follow these guidelines currently, so I'm wondering if a few of these changes/additions will allow me to drop below 11%?
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Old 08-03-2004, 02:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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1. Yes
2. Doesn't matter. To be politically correct, I should say 97%. But I don't the CSPI is watching this board.
3. I don't know what's in MM, but low-carb grow is fine.
4. I would say yes.
5. ?
6. Under what category? You can have as many non-caloric/very low calorie (1-5 [img]smile.gif[/img] ) drinks as you want.
7. ?
8 & 9. I would probably split ONE into thirds and drink 1/3 immediately before (as you walk into the gym), 1/3 during, and 1/3 after your workout. Then have the low-carb/high protein shake an hour after your workout.

10. Don't eat unlimited amounts of cottage cheese and yogurt. Limit to a couple of servings a day of those and milk total.


Are all the serving recommendations based off JP's height/weight? No. Hopefully, your body will "autoregulate". The ideas is to keep insulin levels low and foods that fill you up high. That's why there are limitations on some foods--not because they are bad, but because of the end-goal without having to provide a lot of work for the user like calorie counting. Calorie counting is very useful--but most people don't want to do it. Books like the Abs Diet make the mistake in saying don't count calories when they're not controlling for anything but what they consider junk food. For instance, I wouldn't tell you to follow the Testosterone Advantage Plan and not count calories--it probably wouldn't work that well for most people. There is a method behind the madness to this plan, though.

Use an Alwyn Cosgrove/Bill Hartman/Craig Ballantyne fat loss workout.

No PWO shakes on non-training days.

If you're hungry, add meals of fat and protein, but not carbs (unless they're high-fiber, low-calorie vegetables). Another even better trick: hunt down a fiber supplement called glucomannan and consume it 30 minutes before your main meals.

Now I just saw that you are 11 percent body fat at 155 pounds. I'd say if you want to go lower, give this a shot--I think it will work. But you may need to get a bit more extreme to get much lower faster, especially at that body weight.
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Old 08-03-2004, 02:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Oh, yeah, I feel a little silly for this to be called my diet. It's really based on a diet Jeff Volek and I working on (he's doing the smart stuff) and the original post was just 10 main points off the top of my head that I knew JP could follow. However, it's not a bad idea for a book
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Old 08-03-2004, 05:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I read that it wasn't "your" diet but since everyone else was referencing it that way, I figure I'd do the same. I gots a few more questions...

How much peanut butter is okay?

Is it okay that most of my meat (tuna, salmon, and chicken) comes from a can?

What's the CSPI?

Is any type of cheese okay?

I'm still confused on the liquid nutrition surrounding the workout period. In #8 you say 15 grams of protein, 45 grams of carbohydrate (high-glycemic like maltodextrin or dextrose) in 12 ounces of water--half 5 to 15 minutes before your workout, and the rest evenly divided every 15-20 minutes of your workout. That's one mixture of Surge.

Then in #9 you say after your workout, drink 20 grams of protein and 20 to 40 grams of carbohydrate. This would seem like another mixture of Surge, or is this drink not high GI? Then you say about an hour later to drink a low carb/high protein drink? Then 2-3 hours after that I would consume my one carb meal for the day... Am I even close?

And I don't know what's in Muscle Milk either but everyone I talk to LOVES it so I figure I would give it a try one day... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 08-03-2004, 05:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Adam, I read somewhere you saying take a benefiber tablet 30 min before you eat wheat bread right? cuz thats what im doing right now, duno if thats right...
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I forgot to ask, do ab/HIIT days warrant a PWO shake? What type of nutrition should surround that type of workout?
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Old 08-05-2004, 01:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I forgot to ask, do ab/HIIT days warrant a PWO shake? What type of nutrition should surround that type of workout?
If fat loss is your main goal I wouldn't drink one. Just add them in and have the meal after be one of the higher carb meals throughout the day.

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Old 08-05-2004, 01:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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How much peanut butter is okay?
Watch the peanut butter the cals can add up quick.

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Is it okay that most of my meat (tuna, salmon, and chicken) comes from a can?
Sure, as long as its just meat and not a ton of additives and sugars in them.

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Old 08-06-2004, 11:11 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Still confused on the nutrition surrounding the workout period.

PB cals add up for sure, but should they be counted as a nut (1-2 servings daily)?

And DKing, I'm assuming you meant don't drink a PWO shake after Ab/HIIT days and have my only carb meal after correct?

How much cardio is to be done while eating this way to drop bodyfat?
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Old 08-06-2004, 11:25 AM   #10 (permalink)
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PB is counted as a nut. A serving of nuts is around 150-200 cals, depending on the nut. So, 2 tbls PB, at around 190 cals, should be one serving of nuts.

To maximize fat loss and minimize muscle loss, I do three interval cardio sessions a week. Twenty minute each session, immediately after lifting.
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Old 08-06-2004, 01:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Count the PB as a serving of nuts. That is what I meant, don't use a shake after HIIT/Abs. Just have the next meal have higher carbs but still fit the diet.

Around the workout. Not sure if this is exactly how Adam does it or recommends it but this is a pretty common way. Take 1.5 servings of surge and mix them with a lot of water. Drink it occasionally through the workout and before but don't go much over halfway. You are most likely going to get to bloated if you try to drink too much. Then drink the rest of the shake right after. Then continue with your eating. The next meal should again be higher carb but still fitting in with the diet.

And I wouldn't do more than 3 HIIT sessions per week. Start with 2 and see how it works. If you need another add it in.

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Still confused on the nutrition surrounding the workout period.

PB cals add up for sure, but should they be counted as a nut (1-2 servings daily)?

And DKing, I'm assuming you meant don't drink a PWO shake after Ab/HIIT days and have my only carb meal after correct?

How much cardio is to be done while eating this way to drop bodyfat?
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Old 08-06-2004, 07:56 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Adam didn't know much about Muscle Milk, nor do I, but do others think it fits in with this plan?

How come milk is is limited while cheese is unlimited?

When you both said HIIT, what is your routines like?
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How come milk is is limited while cheese is unlimited?

Milk has a lot of sugar and spikes your bloodsugar. Cheese does not.
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Old 08-07-2004, 01:34 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I never knew cheese was considered a clean food along the lines of turkey, chicken, tuna, salmon, and steak/beef. Guess I'll go out and buy buckloads of cheese to go along with my buckloads of turkey, chicken, tuna, salmon, and steak/beef!
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Old 08-07-2004, 09:54 AM   #15 (permalink)
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What would i do if i did HIIT/Cardio in the mornings?
What kind of food should i eat right after?

and also sometimes my HIIT and my workout may be on the sameday, depending on where my brother wants to go...
monday and friday i always go to the gym but sometimes i go to the gym on Tuesday or Wednesday but i plan on doing my cardio on Tuesday mornings which means ill be doing workout and cardio on the same day sometimes.
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Old 08-08-2004, 12:12 AM   #16 (permalink)
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My first day didn't go too well... Think I ate too much! I didn't count calories but I'm pretty sure I ate over 3000 calories. I was eating around 2200-2600 calories/day before... I'm wondering how I am supposed to cut bodyfat by eating more?
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I had one day like that, in the very beginning. I ate and ate. After than day, I just made an effort to eat what I thought was a reasonable amount at a meal or snack and then give it a few minutes to see if I was full or not. If I was actually still hungry after 15-20 minutes, I might eat some more.

That bad day, I ate like it was going out of style. But, it did remind me what it felt like to overeat; something I hadn't really done in a long, long time.
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Old 08-08-2004, 08:52 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Hi all,

Quick question. I am seriously considering trying out this diet, since it appears to be very successful for the folks that are on it. My problem is that my cholesterol is quite high (~240). Will this diet do anything to raise my cholesterol level, or possibly lower it? I am not taking any medication for it, but instead am trying to clean up my diet (it's down from 290 8 months ago ).

Thanks for any advice or suggestions you may have.

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Old 08-12-2004, 05:12 PM   #19 (permalink)
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