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Old 05-10-2004, 09:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Another easy way out?

Is that insensitive??? It just bugs me when I think of people looking for yet another pill or injection instead of the route to the nearest gym. I guess there are some people with legit health issues this might help... which is "good" unless they start selling it as the "McWeightLoss Pill" and include it in the Happy Meal.

Study: Molecule 'vacuums' fat in mice

Sunday, May 9, 2004 Posted: 1:10 PM EDT (1710 GMT)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A new approach being used to fight cancer may also help fight fat, U.S. researchers said Sunday.

They said blocking a certain protein seems to literally vacuum fat off mice.

When fat mice were injected with the new "fat-zapper" every day for a month, they all slimmed down to normal weight with no visible side-effects, the researchers reported in the June issue of Nature Medicine.

But they stressed the experiment is still in the very early stages and it affects a function found in virtually all cells -- meaning it has a high potential for serious side-effects.

"I am trying to un-hype this," said Dr. Wadih Arap of the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas, who led the research.

In cancer, a new class of drugs called angiogenesis inhibitors starve tumors by cutting off their blood supply.

Arap and colleagues have turned this approach against fat.

It makes sense, Arap argues -- fat cells grow and proliferate quickly just as cancer cells do. Like tumors, they build themselves a scaffold of tiny blood vessels called capillaries for sustenance.

Cancer drugs tackle different proteins involved in building blood vessels. Arap's team looked for a protein that might be found only in the blood vessels that feed fat cells.

They found one. Prohibitin is active on the surface of fat-feeding blood vessels. They also found a monoclonal antibody -- a synthetic immune system molecule -- that finds and attaches to prohibitin alone.
Reversing obesity

"If even a fraction of what we found in mice relates to human biology, then we are cautiously optimistic that there may be a new way to think about reversing obesity," said Renata Pasqualini, Arap's research partner and wife.

Arap's team made the monoclonal antibody lethal by attaching it to another protein fragment or peptide that causes apoptosis -- a natural programmed cell suicide.

Then they put normal mice on what they called a "cafeteria diet". "It is high in calories," Arap said in a telephone interview. The mice started out weighing just under an ounce, 20 to 25 grams, but more than doubled their weight on the diet.

Then they injected half the mice with the new fat-killing molecule. After daily injections for a month, the fat mice lost, on average, 30 percent of their body weight.

"The weight loss was also accompanied by a reversal of fatty liver and glucose intolerance," Arap said, describing two common complications of obesity. "They actually looked better. You could see them walk and so on."

They also tested aging mice, which tend to get fat. "They responded just the same. They looked a little thinner," he said.

Arap said his team saw no side-effects. "They didn't have any signs of being ill," he said. "All measures look improved. If they had a side-effect we couldn't detect it."

Arap's team did not measure how long their mice lived and they did not measure lean body mass to see if the mice lost healthy muscle tissue, too.

Next they plan to test baboons, which tend to put on weight much as humans do.

Arap noted that other research in which fat rodents have miraculously lost weight has not translated to humans. And prohibitin is found inside cells, which means that accidentally disrupting it there could cause severe side-effects.

"I think it will be a while before we know whether this will be duplicated in humans," he said.

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I'll play devil's advocate, Brad.

What if a magic pill, e.g. angiogenesis inhibitor, could actually bring about equivalent or superior results to regular exercise at a lower cost (keep in mind that we cost money because of our injuries, etc..)? I'm not saying that this is the case, but I'm throwing around that possibility.
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I'll play devil's advocate, Brad.

What if a magic pill, e.g. angiogenesis inhibitor, could actually bring about equivalent or superior results to regular exercise at a lower cost (keep in mind that we cost money because of our injuries, etc..)? I'm not saying that this is the case, but I'm throwing around that possibility.
What would be the fun in that??? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

That would be great but the trend, at least as I view it, has been toward "quick fixes" as a means of quickly gaining ground on the obesity epidemic. That's a rational approach, IMHO, when there's a health problem that's quickly getting out of hand or has already gotten out of hand.

My only issue is with the personal responsibility aspect of the problem. If a magic pill is devised, body builders would be at the front of the line to gain access to it, I'm sure, and it would be great to have such a thing for the sake of public health.

However, I know that many people rely on science/medicine to solve the problems they create but don't make the effort to help themselves. For example, I have a friend who takes Lipitor or one of the statin type drugs and he has told me that he considers it his "get out of jail free" card to continue to eat however the heck he wants to. Is that a valid perspective? Personally, I'd choose to manage my eating habits a little better and be thankful for the drug option when my efforts stopped being efficacious.
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However, I know that many people rely on science/medicine to solve the problems they create but don't make the effort to help themselves. For example, I have a friend who takes Lipitor or one of the statin type drugs and he has told me that he considers it his "get out of jail free" card to continue to eat however the heck he wants to. Is that a valid perspective? Personally, I'd choose to manage my eating habits a little better and be thankful for the drug option when my efforts stopped being efficacious.
I'm actually in agreement with you on this issue, Brad. People do have a way of looking for a quick fix rather than long term solutions. My feeling is that any product designed to combat obesity should be reserved for those who have failed with conservative measures (diet/exercise).

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Ephedra comes to mind....
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