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Old 06-27-2003, 09:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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If you didn't read last week's T-Mag, here's the URL to the article I'm going to take excerpts from below:

http://www.t-mag.com/nation_articles/265post.jsp

Okay, here's the article excerpts. I used to think that Berardi was more of a scientist type guy and reported objective, scientific research but this looks article like pure promotion... or is the product really that good and unique?

Also, I've asked other sources if hydrolyzed protein is all that critical. The response I got was that there's no evidence that it makes any difference... but you definitely pay more.

What do you think? If Berardi has sold out, we're doomed! I can't blame a guy for making a killing... I mean a living... especially after all the preparation he has done to get to where he is but his credibility seems more questionable when he's promoting a product like he is here.


JMB: I’ve actually written about this very topic before in a previous Appetite for Construction column. In that article, I discussed a study showing that a pre-workout drink containing protein/amino acids and carbohydrates can actually promote a greater anabolic response than what can be accomplished during the post-workout period. I also suggested either slugging down some Biotest Surge before and after exercise or sipping the Surge during the exercise bout and then having some more after the bout.

JMB: Surge users have been reporting a host of benefits. Weight trainers have reported the following:

JMB: Not only do endurance athletes benefit from the use of Surge, they actually respond better than weight trainers! If there’s one market I’d love to see embrace the use of Surge, it’s the endurance crowd.

JMB: Okay, seriously, Surge promotes a much more powerful insulin response than I ever expected it would.

CS: Wow! Very interesting! Okay, now let's clear up a few frequently asked questions. Should a person use Surge if he's on a low carb diet?

JMB: In my opinion, if you follow the approach I’m about to suggest, you can have your Surge and your fat loss, too.

CS: I've seen cheaper post-workout products on the market (although their taste is gagging, while Surge tastes like angel food cake). Why is Surge so pricey?

Look, Surge isn’t all that expensive. It's only about $2.30 per full serving if you can find a good deal. And remember, you only take it on training days. To me, that doesn’t seem so expensive.

But even if Surge is a bit pricey, it’s important to realize that each serving contains 25 grams of hydrolyzed whey protein, 50 grams of a carbohydrate blend, and 11.25 grams of supplemental, free form amino acids. While the carb sources (glucose and maltodextrin) are relatively cheap, the hydrolyzed whey and the amino acids cost a pretty penny.

While most protein supplements on the market use intact proteins, Surge uses protein hydrolysates. You see, whey or casein protein can be hydrolyzed (broken into smaller pieces) by enzymes that produce small chains of amino acids called peptides. This process mimics our own digestive actions. This makes hydrolysis an ideal way to process protein as long as manufacturers are careful not to denature it. Once hydrolyzed, these undenatured peptides have many benefits over and above whole protein sources.

Although protein hydrolysates seem to offer some nice advantages when compared to intact proteins, a word of caution is again necessary. Different hydrolysis techniques have been used to break protein down into small peptides. These techniques have had various degrees of success. Older methods of acid-based hydrolysis often led to a substantial destruction of the proteins and peptides.

Obviously, with the great taste of Surge, we’ve chosen to use a very high quality enzymatic hydrolysis.
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Old 06-28-2003, 03:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Also, I've asked other sources if hydrolyzed protein is all that critical. The response I got was that there's no evidence that it makes any difference... but you definitely pay more.

I can't blame a guy for making a killing... I mean a living... especially after all the preparation he has done to get to where he is but his credibility seems more questionable when he's promoting a product like he is here.
Okay, as to the second part, I already acknowledged that I don't blame him for trying to make a living. It occured to me later that he's really no different than many others who have preceded him in the fitness business except that his expertise derives from him being a researcher and scientist I usually connect people of science with objectivity. Of course, a quick trip to the local bookstore will dispel that notion!

It's also kind of like basketball players endorsing brands of athletic shoes. They have to take advantage of their window of opportunity when they can because it may be relatively brief.
Plus, it's the American Way! Of course, when their still in high school and get $100 mill contracts before they even put on an NBA uniform, that's a little much!

More importantly, I would like to know if there's any validity to the need to break these proteins down (hydrolyse) beforehand as they claim.

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A little O/T---> I have had negative side effects from hydrolized proteins. Headaches, dizziness, mild nausea. I also have a sensitivity to MSG, and the two seem related in their effects. I have read some info that points to a similar neurological effect of these two ingredients. I find I am better off avoiding them...
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The reason Berardi is really pushing Surge is because he developed it. The biggest reason he is with T-mag is because they were willing to produce his Surge product.

They even mentioned in the article that the Surge research is going to be used to get him his PHD.

Berardi has been a little negative about ECA stacks, at least pre workout. And he made these statements while Biotest was selling MD-6. An EC (no A) stack. Also you might have caught his articles about caffeine. He seems to say avoid it. And Biotest is using caffeine in their Hot Rox, though not as much as MD-6.

Bodybuilders are known to inject insulin after working out. If Surge acts like he says, it is doing the exact same thing naturally, which I find much safer.

Also while I am not using it right now, I will say that the taste is addictive. It motivated me to work out just so I could drink the stuff. I just wish Biotest could drop their prices. It used to be cheapest to buy directly from them.

It is a good idea to keep an eye on them though. I don't want the magazine turning into a lot of the crap that is out there.

FishrCutB8:

How soon before you have these problems? Is this with Surge, or another product? Surge will boost your insulin, and could easily put you into a low blood sugar state. I could see your reactions as being a result of low blood sugar.

Hydrolyzed protein is simply a broken up form of whey. If you don't have problems with regular whey, (do you?) then I would doubt it was the hydrolyzed form causing the problem.
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It's hard to sort out all the issues simulaneously so do you know if the hydrolyzed protein alone is worth paying extra for? Does it, in fact, "work faster" and is that important enough to pay more for?
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Mage:

Hydrolyzed proteins are often combined with MSG so the manufaturer does not have to list the MSG in the ingredients. See also: http://www.nomsg.com/sources.html

They say to stay away from:
Definite Sources of MSG

autolyzed yeast
calcium caseinate
gelatin
hydrolyzed protein
sodium caseinate
yeast extract

Possible Sources of MSG

textured protein
carrageenan
vegetable gum
seasonings
spices
flavorings
natural flavorings
chicken flavoring
beef flavoring
pork flavoring
smoke flavoring
bouillon
broth
stock
barley malt
malt extract
malt flavoring
whey protein
whey protein isolate
whey protein concentrate
soy protein
soy protein isolate
soy protein concentrate
soy sauce
soy extract

I have found that I do NOT react to whey, perhaps because it is in an unadulterated form.
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