Diet, Nutrition and SupplementationPost here for supplement reviews or nutritional advice. If you're trying to get "ripped abz" THIS is where you should be.
If your asking this as a fitness enthusiast then your question has been answered already. If, however, you are studying exercise science/nutrition/etc. then a deeper understanding is needed, and you can be directed to places that can give you that. Although you have been directed to Aragon and McDonald, guys more learned than 99% of the people on this forum but that doesn't seem to be good enough (by the was the Research Review is $10 per month - about the price of a trip to Burger King - which money is better spent?)
I do wonder why people get confrontational. In this case, it was completely unprecedented. I asked a question. That was all. I got directed to somewhere that didn't have what I wanted to know. What's wrong with wanting to know more than the basic crap? What are you trying to prove by asking what I'm studying? It makes no difference at all. Who are you to say what I should and shouldn't know in detail?
I don't eat Burger King. I make my own food. And I'm on an all liquid diet right now, so that's irrelevant. And why pay for a research review just to learn about one single thing - MCT's, when other people might already know that I thought might want to help rather than freak out. Luckily, some did, but for the rest, I don't get it.
McDonald has almost nothing on the topic, so stop directing me there. You go find significant information on MCT's from bodyrecomp and then show me, because I already looked several times.
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Okay, well, number one, his research review isn't FREE. So, you're wrong.
And don't think you have me pegged about researching and doing my own work and shit. You know nothing about me. Don't throw your "I raised two kids who did work" crap at me. You have no idea how much work I get in school, what I do on top of that, what else I have on my plate, what kind of grades I get, etc. So get off your high horse and if you're not going to say anything useful, you're better off keeping your shit to yourself.
I don't see what the big deal with this question is. As LostDog said, it's no different than anyone else. And if I had to take a guess as to why it isn't quickly answered, it's because most people don't know the answer right off the top of their head. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be answered.
There is a FREE one embedded on this page. Alan goes into some great details about Fats in this review. I am not going to spoon feed the information to you because I barely comprehend it myself.
And the emoticon at the end of my comments in my previous message should have clued you in that I was smiling as I typed my message. It really was intended to be helpful as I think this article will give you more information.
Take it or leave it kiddo.
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There is a FREE one embedded on this page. Alan goes into some great details about Fats in this review. I am not going to spoon feed the information to you because I barely comprehend it myself.
And the emoticon at the end of my comments in my previous message should have clued you in that I was smiling as I typed my message. It really was intended to be helpful as I think this article will give you more information.
Take it or leave it kiddo.
Yeah, I know you were smiling, but that's a cop out. That was just your way of taking a shot at me and not having to be accountable for it. That's BS.
I didn't ask anyone to spoon feed. That link doesn't really go into that much detail either. I read that part of the review already. It's mainly about what it does for energy/performance and fat loss. It doesn't answer this:
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All of what I've seen says that MCFA increase fat oxidation. I get how they are absorbed via the portal system and into the blood and not through lacteal and lymphatic vessels, but why is that good?
But thanks anyway. At least it covered part of it.
I did find some stuff on the Weston Price site that I want to sort through later, but someone mentioned it not being a credible place of information. Why is that?
To answer your question OldGuy, I'm not going into the nutrition field, but I love it, and I don't think there's any reason why I shouldn't be able to know all the details of things, just because it's not going to be my profession.
Beyond that, I don’t get overly hung up on fat intake. Research shows that both MCT’s and di-glycerides (in the form of Enova oil) can slightly increase fat loss during a diet but the impact is not massive, maybe a few tenths of a pound a week if that. Both fats do seem to help control appetite which might be one reason to include them in a diet.
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Yeah, I know you were smiling, but that's a cop out. That was just your way of taking a shot at me and not having to be accountable for it. That's BS.......
No, it was my way of protecting myself because you were shooting all the other people who were trying to help you because they did not provide enough detail and you are "too busy" to sort through the info they provided.... But hey, take it however you want.
Glad the article provided some more insight. Since Alan specifically suggests that you email him with questions (find the email address on the AARR) I recommend that perhaps that is a good route to go too. What do you say?
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Exactly. Do you really think I didn't read that article? You basically just validated my argument. That's what you consider enough detail and answering what I asked? Come on.
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No, it was my way of protecting myself because you were shooting all the other people who were trying to help you because they did not provide enough detail and you are "too busy" to sort through the info they provided.... But hey, take it however you want.
I wasn't shooting down anyone. It's just frustrating to get the same thing pushed at me that I already looked through and knew didn't have the information I wanted.
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Glad the article provided some more insight. Since Alan specifically suggests that you email him with questions (find the email address on the AARR) I recommend that perhaps that is a good route to go too. What do you say?
Not a bad idea. But I feel like that's a long explanation that he won't want to give to one guy through an email. Guess it's worth a shot. Thanks.
I wasn't shooting down anyone. It's just frustrating to get the same thing pushed at me that I already looked through and knew didn't have the information I wanted.
Your frustration comes across loud and clear - just misdirected towards those trying to give you information.
Would you prefer to have no responses because we don't know what you have or have not already looked at and wouldn't want to inadvertantly frustrate you because we don't have the information that you want?
You don't frame your questions to let us know if you have already done any research on your own and are now looking for additional advanced information. Yet whenever you are pointed to something your response is along the lines of "that's not good enough" or "that source doesn't address it in enough detail" or "I don't have time to read that many pages". No, you don't say those words but that's how your responses come across.
As far as what you are studying being relevant or not - sure it is if you are asking for detailed information on a biochemistry/physiology question. It might be different for a science major who is (apparently) too lazy (or busy) to do a pubmed search for the primary research compared to an English major with a side interest in fitness but not up for finding or reading original research articles in the sciences.
....Not a bad idea. But I feel like that's a long explanation that he won't want to give to one guy through an email. Guess it's worth a shot. Thanks.
Alan is a great guy and he will answer you and even like you ('cause you have an interest in nutrition) even though you have been quite snarky. Or maybe he will like you because you are snarky. (3 emoticons should get me out of any trouble here right?)
If you post a link to this thread he may even come here and answer for everyone to read as he is on this board frequently enough.
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I did find some stuff on the Weston Price site that I want to sort through later, but someone mentioned it not being a credible place of information. Why is that?
They are very much into (very)low carbing which right now is not really the 'hip' thing to do. But I've personally always found the information that the Weston A Price foundation provided quite interesting.
Your frustration comes across loud and clear - just misdirected towards those trying to give you information.
Would you prefer to have no responses because we don't know what you have or have not already looked at and wouldn't want to inadvertantly frustrate you because we don't have the information that you want?
You don't frame your questions to let us know if you have already done any research on your own and are now looking for additional advanced information. Yet whenever you are pointed to something your response is along the lines of "that's not good enough" or "that source doesn't address it in enough detail" or "I don't have time to read that many pages". No, you don't say those words but that's how your responses come across.
As far as what you are studying being relevant or not - sure it is if you are asking for detailed information on a biochemistry/physiology question. It might be different for a science major who is (apparently) too lazy (or busy) to do a pubmed search for the primary research compared to an English major with a side interest in fitness but not up for finding or reading original research articles in the sciences.
This board needs reps.
Go Lisa.
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Alan is a great guy and he will answer you and even like you ('cause you have an interest in nutrition) even though you have been quite snarky. Or maybe he will like you because you are snarky. (3 emoticons should get me out of any trouble here right?)
If you post a link to this thread he may even come here and answer for everyone to read as he is on this board frequently enough.
I wasn't snarky. You're all taking this the wrong way. All I did was ask a question and I got pointed to sources that didn't answer it. Somehow that became my fault. Anyway, I'll shoot him an email and I'll include the thread.
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Your frustration comes across loud and clear - just misdirected towards those trying to give you information.
Would you prefer to have no responses because we don't know what you have or have not already looked at and wouldn't want to inadvertantly frustrate you because we don't have the information that you want?
No, not at all. I apologize for that. I guess I should have thrown out there that I did research already, but I *thought* that I covered that with my original question. I didn't ask what they were. I said that I understand the process, but I want to know why that is a beneficial process. And that gives the indication that I do already have an idea as to what I'm talking about.
As for finding out where MCT's are found, yeah I guess I could have looked harder for that, but I knew (or thought I did) that someone might have that information handy already. And this is a place to discuss things, is it not? Sometimes you can search for weeks about something that someone may have already had waiting for you. And I do that often, but part of the forum is to eliminate that.
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You don't frame your questions to let us know if you have already done any research on your own and are now looking for additional advanced information. Yet whenever you are pointed to something your response is along the lines of "that's not good enough" or "that source doesn't address it in enough detail" or "I don't have time to read that many pages". No, you don't say those words but that's how your responses come across.
I covered that in my response above, but as you said, I didn't say those things. If that's how it comes off, then that's a miscommunication. But I really don't see an issue with telling you that it's not enough detail. I mean I asked about the process, like I said in the original post, and none of the sources covered that. So the fact that I wasn't satifisied with that information is quite justified. That's not a knock on anyone giving it to me, but what am I supposed to do? Say "oh thanks" and get nowhere because it's not what I wanted to know? That doesn't make much sense.
And it's not all on me here. I didn't flat out state that I did research already, but like I said before, that was implied in the question. Plus, you assumed that I didn't do anything, and that's as much your fault as it is mine for assuming that you would understand where I was going with it.
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As far as what you are studying being relevant or not - sure it is if you are asking for detailed information on a biochemistry/physiology question. It might be different for a science major who is (apparently) too lazy (or busy) to do a pubmed search for the primary research compared to an English major with a side interest in fitness but not up for finding or reading original research articles in the sciences.
Well I am up for reading anything when I have the time. I'm a bio major and I am often interested in the primary research.
Hey guys, I talked to Alan via email and he said he is coming out with an in depth discussion on this topic in the research review, and will have more meaningful answers once he is done.
emoticon at the end of my comments in my previous message should have clued you in that I was smiling as I typed my message. It really was intended to be helpful as I think this article will give you more information. 
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