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Old 08-13-2009, 01:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I had never heard before of any link until yesterday when someone blamed some guy's aggression on all the "protein, creatine and glutamine supplements" he was taking. I thought it was ridiculous so I looked it up.

There are reports of aggression and irritability that seem to go away when creatine is stopped, but nothing has been proven apparently. Some people swear to god they're linked; some swear to god they're not. I'm not convinced that this isn't another case of correlation vs causation in some cases.

The mayo clinic has a pretty unbiased report. They just lump it in with all the other possible side effects.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cre...SECTION=safety

Anyone had any experience with any of this?
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Holy shit that's hilarious, aggression from creatine hahahaha

They can't even draw a link between aggression and (anabolic) steroid use, but they're speculating on creatine? hahahahhahah

Mayo Clinic is just covering it's ass with Pascal's wager: we don't have any data to suggest this but what the hell, it's technically a risk since we don't know different. Hence "reported side-effects".
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Calm down now...

If you google creatine and aggression you come up with links to forums and the like with people reporting themselves or husbands or whoever who used to take creatine and became cranky and irritable.

I'm not training very hard right now because Leigh Peele says that people who have thyroid problems might find it easier to lose weight under low stress conditions; but it's anecdotal, and she admits as much.

I think it's important to give equal consideration to conclusions we don't like as we give to conclusions we do like.

Do you take creatine? You seem a tad aggressive sometimes.
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Ok, then creatine causes aggression.
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The mayo clinic has a pretty unbiased report. They just lump it in with all the other possible side effects.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cre...SECTION=safety
an appeal to their authority does not change that the data they are relying on for those "risks" are pretty flakey at best.

In some of my own research a few years back, I got some pretty excellent reported side effects from my placebo, including aggression/mental changes

the joys of a control group... something that is not provided with these reports.

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Holy shit that's hilarious, aggression from creatine hahahaha

They can't even draw a link between aggression and (anabolic) steroid use, but they're speculating on creatine? hahahahhahah

Mayo Clinic is just covering it's ass with Pascal's wager: we don't have any data to suggest this but what the hell, it's technically a risk since we don't know different. Hence "reported side-effects".
Pascal's wager? what did he wager on? that creatine causes aggression?
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Pascal's wager? what did he wager on? that creatine causes aggression?
It was a religious argument, basically saying that it's better to believe in God and be wrong (thus vanishing into oblivion at death) than to be an atheist and be wrong (thus receiving judgment from the God you shunned). Therefore it was "safer" to believe in God, even if there's no proof.

Faith as an insurance policy FTW.

Given that it's safer to assume that this forum causes menopause than to assume there's no risk, I'd better log out. Because it'd be freaky for a 32yo male to go into menopause.
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Given that it's safer to assume that this forum causes menopause than to assume there's no risk, I'd better log out. Because it'd be freaky for a 32yo male to go into menopause.
That's what going on! Damn! Does this qualify as an excuse to get my doctor to prescribe testosterone?
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Ok, then creatine causes aggression.
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Given that it's safer to assume that this forum causes menopause than to assume there's no risk, I'd better log out. Because it'd be freaky for a 32yo male to go into menopause.
I think there is more evidence that this forum causes pregnancy than that it brings on menopause. So surf safely.
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I think there is more evidence that this forum causes pregnancy than that it brings on menopause. So surf safely.
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ok… I've got a psuedo-serious reason why this could be the case:

Creatine usage allows people to lift a bit heavier, or a bit more reps, etc.
Lifting heavy can cause, for some people, hemorrhoids to flare up/get worse/etc.
Hemorrhoid issues would prolly make some people a little cranky.
Ergo… creatine = aggression.

correlation, indeed!
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how about micronized creatine? I heard that brand is easier on the stomach and less side effects. I hope I dont get moody or aggressive when I order soon or become argumentive. I am thinking about ordering the micronized creatine (monohydrate). I hope it doesnt change my mood.
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how about micronized creatine? I heard that brand is easier on the stomach and less side effects. I hope I dont get moody or aggressive when I order soon or become argumentive. I am thinking about ordering the micronized creatine (monohydrate). I hope it doesnt change my mood.
It's not a brand. All "micronized" means is that they chopped it up smaller so it dissolves better.

It sounds to me like you've already got so many things in your system, with so many expectations of the potential side effects of each, that your placebos be crossmojinating with your theramones and it's no longer possible to separate physiology from psychosis.

But there's always cheetos.
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your placebos be crossmojinating with your theramones and it's no longer possible to separate physiology from psychosis.
I bet your metachlorian count is off the charts!
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In some of my own research a few years back, I got some pretty excellent reported side effects from my placebo, including aggression/mental changes

the joys of a control group... something that is not provided with these reports.

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That's the kind of thing I was wondering about. I did expect the issue to be a bit contentious but whatever.
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