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Old 08-10-2009, 11:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default thinking about trying creatine

what do you think? is this worth trying and will I get great results from this if its enough milligrams. If not, which creatine do you think is the best one that I should try (not a monthly one or cost a lot of money). Also I rather not have powder form, but I guess I can try if I have to. never tried powder form for anything before.

http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-CreaPure...ngredientFacts

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Creatine Monohydrate (CREAPURE®)2250 Milligrams*




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When it comes to creatine, stick to monohydrate powder. Don't play around with any of the ethyl ester and whatever else, that's just marketing crap and it doesn't work anyway.

Creatine monohydrate does work, and it's cheap in bulk form. Just find a brand that's inexpensive and go from there.
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http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-CreaPure...1000-g-2-2-lbs I found this one in powder form that is taken once a day and lasts 200 days, but may be 100 days if its better to take it twice a day. its also only $18 and has really good ratings (64) there. is that good? also a reviewer mentioned that its not gmp certificated. is that a good thing or bad thing?

what should I look for in good creatine and the brand? or should I take glutamine instead?
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There's honestly not a ton of difference in bulk creatine products. The one you linked looks just fine.

Don't bother with glutamine, it's a waste of money. Creatine actually works.
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what does glutamine do? some reviewers here http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-L-Glu...sules/301?at=0 are saying it helps with muscle soreness, energy, and possibly mind focusing as well as anxiety (if taken with gaba, which I do take gaba for anxiety..I used to worry about everything under the moon til I started taking it).

It does not hurt to try glutamine to see if it helps with mind focusing and anxiety. I do still have problems with getting nervous in situations and it happens everytime there is pressure and also lose focus on something (mind wonder), so it doesnt hurt to try it and see if that helps (taking it with gaba in pill form).

how often do you think I should take creatine per day? in the morning and mid-day or just the mornings once a day?
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we just take the 5g a day whenever. Usually just get a bottle of water and add one of those single serve drink mixes and add the creatine. Slightly gritty, but not by much.
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what does glutamine do? some reviewers here http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-L-Glu...sules/301?at=0 are saying it helps with muscle soreness, energy, and possibly mind focusing as well as anxiety (if taken with gaba, which I do take gaba for anxiety..I used to worry about everything under the moon til I started taking it).
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It does not hurt to try glutamine to see if it helps with mind focusing and anxiety. I do still have problems with getting nervous in situations and it happens everytime there is pressure and also lose focus on something (mind wonder), so it doesnt hurt to try it and see if that helps (taking it with gaba in pill form).
If you say so.

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14636104

Bear in mind that unless you're taking glutamine via parenteral administration, you're not going to see much. The majority is absorbed by the GI tract in oral administration, so it takes stupendous doses to affect blood levels.

Hope you can afford it.

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Just take 5g per day. Doesn't matter when.
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okay, thank you. I will order soon!

By the way, I came across this page when trying to search for info on both glutamine and gaba together. http://www.neurogenesis.com/Amino-Acids/glutamine.php It says that glutamine is a better choice because gaba gives a temporary calm (says on the bottom of the page), which yeah it does give it temporary. it does not help me in pressure situations though. In softball when people are on base, I get really nervous. same with playing pool with my dad when he tries to distract me when I am about to get the 8 ball in and I always lose focus and miss the 8 ball. those are just 2 examples. Its hard for me to handle pressure.

I would like to know if its a good idea to take both gaba and glutamine together or switch from gaba to glutamine? also says that glutamine passes the blood barrier easier. Its worth a try with this supplement, but the question is if it should be taken with gaba or not. I want to get rid of the nervous problem with pressure. anxiety bothers me big time in pressured situations. I got myself to stop worrying all the time about things when not doing any activity or sport or whatever, but when I am in a situation, thats when it all happens.

I could take all the creatine I want and build as much strength as I want to be able to hit the ball far in slowpitch and also increase my gains in the weightroom better too and running speed and everything all around...but if its in a situation where there is pressure (people on base for example), I get real nervous. hits usually happen when no one is on base or/and when 1st base is open. if there is someone on first base and I am up, I get nervous. in fastpitch I can bunt, but if there is 1 out I know I gotta hit and it all makes me nervous.
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one more creatine question....

will I still be hungry after I have creatine in the morning or eat breakfast after I have creatine with water? I eat cereal every morning and take brain pills (to help with memory, which it doesnt work for..but it does help with mood and energy defiantly.

I wish the brain pills would help with memory and mind-wondering, nervous under pressure, and not getting distracted easy). I am going to try 5 http and l glutamine (adding that to my brain pill mix) to see if that actually will help. right now I am taking fish oil, gaba, ginkgo, and PS. I was taking Vinpocetine with it, but need to re-order. I also just started taking sAME 1 a morning right when I wake up on a empty stomach with orange juice for the past 10 days already). I see a little difference...I wanted to take it for mood swings and getting mad easy when someone misunderstands me or something I dont agree with. I dont know why people still say I like to argue, I hate arguing..but I want people to stop saying that and also to stop saying I talk to fast. It makes me think my pills are not working and inside me, I feel that they are working. other people dont agree with me. maybe theres a little bit more calm, but thats it.

l glutamine may be the missing ingredient for the mood, but memory..still need to find something for that! I hate when not doing something for a while that I totally forgot how to do it and its like i never done it before. thats how my memory always is. I always had a struggle in math and vocabulary because of that problem. I cant remember what I learn..only some things I can if I use it every single day. If I go a while without using a vocab word I learn or a type of math, I forget. I know the easy adding, subtracting, multiplication, and division (division by calculator only..I dont remember how to do it on paper..dont know why what I learn goes in the trash..some things stay, most things go)
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Have you considered the option that maybe you're just dumb?
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No, I dont believe in that. no one is dumb and I believe theres a cure. I have read reviews on different pills and some people say that they can think better and remember things better and get less nervous. I havent found the right one for me yet. I think I may have ADD.
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Then you'd be needing something way the hell more than some silly supplements that are questionable at best and mostly just do a good job of separating you from your money.
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like what? over the counter is safter than prescription drugs and there is no garentee a prescription drug will work and that costs way more money.
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as someone who works in Quality Assurance for a pharmaceutical manufacturing company, your statement that over the counter supplements are safer than prescription drugs is very very wrong. FDA controls food, cosmetics and drugs. Drugs are anything that causes a change in the body are strictly controlled by FDA (hence, must be manufactured under "GMP" which is like saying 'pharmaceutical grade'). Supplements are not approved by FDA because they're not supposed to be causing changes in your body, only supplementing like if you took a vitamin. The FDA only steps in if they receive a bunch of complaints of death and injuries - like Hydroxycut. So tough-luck on you if you're one of the people with liver damage or who died. Companies can put out whatever snake oil they want in the meantime. They make billions of dollars a year doing so.
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like what? over the counter is safter than prescription drugs and there is no garentee a prescription drug will work and that costs way more money.
Huh?

That's like saying I know I'm physically weak, but lifting with my mind is more effective than actually going to a gym and physically challenging the muscles. And at least then I won't hurt myself.

Most OTC stuff you're talking about does jackshit to body chemistry.

And while you've spent months/years searching for just the perfect chemical solution to your issues, what kinds of behavioral therapies have you tried? Even the best psych/mood meds are only optimized when combined with behavioral self-awareness and training.
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as someone who works in Quality Assurance for a pharmaceutical manufacturing company, your statement that over the counter supplements are safer than prescription drugs is very very wrong. FDA controls food, cosmetics and drugs. Drugs are anything that causes a change in the body are strictly controlled by FDA (hence, must be manufactured under "GMP" which is like saying 'pharmaceutical grade'). Supplements are not approved by FDA because they're not supposed to be causing changes in your body, only supplementing like if you took a vitamin. The FDA only steps in if they receive a bunch of complaints of death and injuries - like Hydroxycut. So tough-luck on you if you're one of the people with liver damage or who died. Companies can put out whatever snake oil they want in the meantime. They make billions of dollars a year doing so.

I heard that things move to prescriptions only if someone died, injury, infections, etc. Prescriptions in my opinion are very risky and my parents would not let me even try a prescription. Look what it did to michael jackson and other people as well (not death, but problems like shaking and stuff). One of the guys at work (only can be a greeter) is taking a lot of prescription medication and his hands will shake (not stay still). He had some kind of injury from a car accident, which damaged his brain a bit. Prescriptions are very risky. If he took over the counter, he would be more alive and his hands wont be shaking from the effect of the meds and stuff.
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I heard that things move to prescriptions only if someone died, injury, infections, etc. Prescriptions in my opinion are very risky and my parents would not let me even try a prescription. Look what it did to michael jackson and other people as well (not death, but problems like shaking and stuff). One of the guys at work (only can be a greeter) is taking a lot of prescription medication and his hands will shake (not stay still). He had some kind of injury from a car accident, which damaged his brain a bit. Prescriptions are very risky. If he took over the counter, he would be more alive and his hands wont be shaking from the effect of the meds and stuff.

OMG I'll make sure I pass this info on to my diabetic mother & brother the next time they get their prescriptions for insulin refilled. rofl
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What if you mixed powdered creatine with milk?

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I heard that things move to prescriptions only if someone died, injury, infections, etc. Prescriptions in my opinion are very risky and my parents would not let me even try a prescription. Look what it did to michael jackson and other people as well (not death, but problems like shaking and stuff). One of the guys at work (only can be a greeter) is taking a lot of prescription medication and his hands will shake (not stay still). He had some kind of injury from a car accident, which damaged his brain a bit. Prescriptions are very risky. If he took over the counter, he would be more alive and his hands wont be shaking from the effect of the meds and stuff.
Yeah, my mom takes asthma medication that makes her shake. It is kinda of annoying at times. Only thing is, if she doesn't take it, she can't breathe.

We took this family vote and though the debate went back and forth, we decided that we would rather her breathe and shake, then stay perfectly still and not breathe. Grandma cast the deciding vote and she is such a big softie.

It was close though. Like you say, that shaking IS annoying
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Gee I feel like I'm missing out on something. I take my presription allergy meds and can really breathe a whole lot better but I don't shake. Should I ask my doc about this? rofl
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Supplements are not approved by FDA because they're not supposed to be causing changes in your body, only supplementing like if you took a vitamin. The FDA only steps in if they receive a bunch of complaints of death and injuries - like Hydroxycut. So tough-luck on you if you're one of the people with liver damage or who died. Companies can put out whatever snake oil they want in the meantime. They make billions of dollars a year doing so.
This is largely true. There are some FDA decisions I've disagreed with (Ephedrine being the main one), but by and large supplements are scam territory.

Any time you see "proprietary blend" on a label, that's basically code-speak for "we didn't actually measure out these ingredients so good luck!"
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anything that sounds dangerous to FDA, they will only make it available for prescriptions only because of its side effects on people that may not need it. thats a true fact and I have looked it up through google searching. FDA does this for safety. Not every prescription is bad, but some medicine requires upping the dose and that is not good and will end up being very expensive and unhealthy. Some medicine makers want people to up the dose so that they can get more money.
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On that note, creatine is fine. I gain a little bit of water when I take it and get slightly stronger.
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anything that sounds dangerous to FDA, they will only make it available for prescriptions only because of its side effects on people that may not need it. thats a true fact and I have looked it up through google searching. FDA does this for safety. Not every prescription is bad, but some medicine requires upping the dose and that is not good and will end up being very expensive and unhealthy. Some medicine makers want people to up the dose so that they can get more money.


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