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Old 06-14-2009, 12:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default BCAA. What are they and do I need them?

WSFL suggests than you can use BCAA instead of protein powder. It doesn't do a very good job of explaining what it is or who it would be best for.

The only reason I am interested is because I'm getting kind of sick of protein powder and would welcome a change. I typically only have one protein powder meal a day--post workout.

In terms of calories and macros is it similar to protein powder? I currently use Nitrean which is approx 110cal, 1F, 0C and 24P per scoop.

Is it ok for an amateur to use or overkill?

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Old 06-14-2009, 12:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 06-14-2009, 01:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Gotcha. Thanks. I will invest in a rabbit's foot though
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Certain people will tell you that it is unnecessary to consume BCAAs alone in a diet already consisting of sufficient protein. This is obviously because in most regular protein sources there is already a large component of amino acids that are BCAAs. So, say you consume 10g of BCAA tablets pre-workout, it probably won't do much considering you probably got considerably more BCAAs from protein sources you consumed (BCAAs are one grouping of amino acids and protein is composed of amino acids). From this point of view, BCAAs seem to be just an over-hyped marketing scam.

The other point of view is that the acute effects of BCAA supplementation may be beneficial for recovery, especially before, during, and after your workout. Another claim is that it helps promote keeping muscle mass in cutting weight. There are several studies showing positive acute effects of BCAAs when consumed around a workout, however most of these are done either with:

1. Limited test subjects.
2. Test subjects in a fasted state
3. Unrealistic Exercise programs
4. Not taking into account test subject's daily intake of protein.
5. Not comparing BCAAs to other amino acids or pre-workout protein intake.
etc, etc, etc

The reality is most likely that there wouldn't be big difference between drinking a protein shake before a workout and consuming x grams of BCAAs before your workout. Some will argue that your body will be able to use BCAAs in supplement form quicker since they are free form (not bonded into proteins basically) and therefore create immediate recovery from muscular damage. However, does it really matter if your body gets the BCAAs it needs in two hours rather than 5 minutes? Also, does it really matter to give your body immediate BCAAs during your workout if there is already sufficient BCAAs in your body from previous protein intake? These questions are what supplement companies tend to ignore for obvious reasons.

I still keep an open mind. Many experts DO support BCAAs for whatever reasons despite several factors and there is a lot of anecdotes of people who found them to be beneficial. Still, I lean towards the more useless than neccesarry side however I believe there may be slight acute benefits (however, that is just a personal belief and not scientific fact...bros tend to not know the diff).
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"Many experts DO support BCAAs for whatever reasons"

Possible reasons:

1- they have not read the scientific research (Bser's)
2- they don't understand the research
3- they intentionally mis-represent the research (liars)

If you are consuming adequate amounts of protein you probably don't need BCAA supplements. On the other hand if you feel like you have to supplement with BCAA's and you function better when doing so (for whatever reason) they probably won't hurt your health (assuming no metabolic abnormalties).

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http://www.mindandmuscle.net/article...CAA-roundtable

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Old 06-17-2009, 11:52 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Josh and Coach Hale,

Thanks so much for your responses. At this point I'm going to stick with protein shakes. I'm kind of a no-frills persons so unless it's gonna make a big difference I'm not interested. It's great to be able to tap into all your knowledge and advice on this forum.
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